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jonnyboy said:
Lying isn’t illegal in most cases.
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And yet, when it endangers the public, it is. See 'shouting fire in a crowded theater'.

barfo
 
jonnyboy said:
So anything that isn’t “protected” is subject to government censorship? I didn’t realize the government was who we needed to protect our free speech from.
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I don't think that's censorship, as much as it's dealing with libel or slander.
 
jonnyboy said:
Lying isn’t illegal in most cases. Just ask the politicians who wrote this bill.
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I suppose someone should point out that this case has nothing to do with charging people with a crime.

The case is about whether it should be illegal for the government to point out when someone is lying.

barfo
 
jonnyboy said:
So anything that isn’t “protected” is subject to government censorship? I didn’t realize the government was who we needed to protect our free speech from.
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Well, actually, yes. People even want things controlled that are very clearly protected with language in legal documents that a specific right or ability "shall not be infringed"...
 
FIRE!!

does all caps count as shouting?

FIRE IN A CROWDED THEATER!!

FIRE IN A CROWDED THEATRE!!!

(Britain) is it illegal there as well?
 
jonnyboy said:
The farthest left corner of the internet’s basement has indeed proven difficult to bring the light to.
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“Supposing we hit the basement with a tremendous — whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful light. And I think you said that hasn’t been checked, but we’re going to test it? And then I said, supposing you brought the light inside the body, either through the skin or some other way.” - DJT

But I won’t give up on you guys.
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You don't know how much that means to us.

barfo
 
Joe will destroy trump in a debate and the world will see.
 
Hoopguru said:
Joe will destroy trump in a debate and the world will see.
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Even if he did, Trump wouldn't admit it, his base wouldn't admit it, and the media would spin it like at worst it was a tie, but that Joe looked old because he said old man things.
 
Hoopguru said:
Joe will destroy trump in a debate and the world will see.
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julius said:
Even if he did, Trump wouldn't admit it, his base wouldn't admit it, and the media would spin it like at worst it was a tie, but that Joe looked old because he said old man things.
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Cmon guys. We all know said debate will not take place. And we all know precisely why.
 
Wealthy and powerful people are laying out plans for a Christian fascist regime with Trump as president for life figurehead. Trump is gathering a s inciting shock troops for fascist coup. And it's Biden's fault! Talk about both siderism.

Many activists are saying with increasing urgency that only we the citizens can prevent this plan and must act.

But it's so much easier to sit in a small chat room and tell everyone how stupid they are....
 
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crandc said:
Wealthy and powerful people are laying out plans for a Christian fascist regime with Trump as president for life figurehead. Trump is gathering a s inciting shock troops for fascist coup.
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This is some Alex Jones type shit.
 
Voodoo said:
Can you please educate me in how my comment was blackmail? You may be upset with Biden and I get your position about that, fair enough. But this is an American election, not a parliamentary one so we get two choices which was my point. It's democracy, and that's how things work in this democracy. You get two choices, and in this case you can choose the one you align with and have some strong disagreements with, or you can not participate which hurts that candidate and you get the other one that you likely strongly disagree with on everything. It's binary. It sucks, I agree, but that's how Democrats lost in 2000 and 2016, people thought voting for Ralph Nader and Jill Stein were better than voting for Al Gore and Hillary Clinton. That sure worked out great for those people and they magically got policy enacted that aligned with their interests. Oh wait, no, they got the exact opposite because that's how American democracy works.

Also Bernie fans weren't blackmailed in 2016, that is such a tired old narrative that just needs to die. I donated to Bernie's campaign, and would have preferred him to Clinton. But during the general I happily voted for Clinton because I put my feelings aside and voted for the candidate that aligned with me more often than not. Was Clinton my favorite? No not at all, but the reality is that we're in America and we get two choices, and the other choice was Donald fucking Trump. It's not blackmail, it's just how it works.

You can choose the third route of embracing burning it all down. But for those of us who have any sense and historical understanding know that the reality is Donald Trump will be the one with holding the flame thrower.
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It wasn't specific to you, it was about the Democratic party trying to shame Muslims and the youth into saying, "if Trump wins it's because of you!" No, it's because of the garbage candidate. Don't put it on me. I don't have to play the game if I don't want to. The biggest voter block in America is the non-voter. It's not on them that Trump won in 16, it's on the Democratic party for running a shitty candidate in Hillary Clinton. If you want our vote, earn it. Otherwise, it ain't on me.

I can understand the "vote blue no matter who" nonsense that we keep hearing but that's also why the party doesn't feel compelled to put forth a better agenda. They'll fear-monger until their blue in the face that the other side is going to end the world. If they wanted to win, they wouldn't run a Dementia-addled corpse with policies we can't get excited for. If they lose to Trump again, instead of you normies getting upset with the non-voter, you should get upset with the party and you should get your pitchforks out.

I respect and appreciate both perspectives.
 
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Why in the world should the Democratic party (or any party) cater to people who don't vote?

You might think you are sending a message, but the only message they receive is "ignore me, I don't matter". No one cares about the preferences of non-voters.

If you want to change the party, there are only two ways to do it. One, vote in primaries for the candidate that best fits your views; and/or two, get involved in the party itself.

If you don't want to participate, that's your right. But I'm pretty certain your absence will have the opposite effect as what you'd like.

Candidates vie for the attention of actual, reliable voters. If the actual voters start to trend to the right because lefties don't vote, the politicians will move to the right to make up for it.

barfo
 
barfo said:
Why in the world should the Democratic party (or any party) cater to people who don't vote?

barfo
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That's one thing I never understood. That and why it is Democrats have to appeal to independent and conservative voters, but the GOP never has to appeal to progressive or independent voters.
 
barfo said:
Why in the world should the Democratic party (or any party) cater to people who don't vote?

You might think you are sending a message, but the only message they receive is "ignore me, I don't matter". No one cares about the preferences of non-voters.

If you want to change the party, there are only two ways to do it. One, vote in primaries for the candidate that best fits your views; and/or two, get involved in the party itself.

If you don't want to participate, that's your right. But I'm pretty certain your absence will have the opposite effect as what you'd like.

Candidates vie for the attention of actual, reliable voters. If the actual voters start to trend to the right because lefties don't vote, the politicians will move to the right to make up for it.

barfo
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Agree 100%. Not voting is just like voting MAGA, IMO.
 
barfo said:
Why in the world should the Democratic party (or any party) cater to people who don't vote?

You might think you are sending a message, but the only message they receive is "ignore me, I don't matter". No one cares about the preferences of non-voters.

If you want to change the party, there are only two ways to do it. One, vote in primaries for the candidate that best fits your views; and/or two, get involved in the party itself.

If you don't want to participate, that's your right. But I'm pretty certain your absence will have the opposite effect as what you'd like.

Candidates vie for the attention of actual, reliable voters. If the actual voters start to trend to the right because lefties don't vote, the politicians will move to the right to make up for it.

barfo
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Pretty sure a big reason Biden won was from first-time voters. The youth did it's job when they've been otherwise accused of being unreliable. Sans Trump era, Democrats have a better chance at getting new voters than turning Republican voters to them.

You can keep thumbing your nose at voters and nonvoters for so and so, but that didn't work in '16.
 
If you owned a large company and needed to interview for CEO position would you even interview Biden or Trump, if you would why?
 
Hoopguru said:
If you owned a large company and needed to interview for CEO position would you even interview Biden or Trump, if you would why?
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I don't even want to be in the same State as Trump but I would love to have Biden sit on my board of directors. The man has a wealth of knowledge and experience that I would like to tap into.
 
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