Politics The Joe Biden Thread (1 Viewer)

[Road Ratt]

Media Caught Holding Secret Propaganda Meetings With Biden.

 

[Lanny]

You're right, Biden totally wrecked the economy the year before.

Wasn't that Trump the year before Biden?

 

[stampedehero]

I do agree that Fox is a crap news source, but so are CNN and MSNBC. It isn't just Fox that is duping the "mindless masses".

But, that wasn't the topic of the video that I posted, and you quoted. So, now we are just off topic.

If you have something relevant to add, I might entertain it. But if not, I really see no point in continuing down this path.

I respect your views. I mentioned Fox as an example. I have opinions regarding polls and can freely express them here.

 

[stampedehero]

Do we know how many took the poll? How many are republican and how many are democrat?

+What age group are the poll sample? I don't trust polls and don't believe they are credible means of convincing a citizen. It's social media propaganda that supports their platform. Look what happened last year when the Biden Harris ticket was going to steam roll over Trump Pence.

 

[Road Ratt]

Chomsky Blasts the "Torture" of Julian Assange & Biden's Provocative Acts Against China.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

 

[Chris Craig]

+What age group are the poll sample? I don't trust polls and don't believe they are credible means of convincing a citizen. It's social media propaganda that supports their platform. Look what happened last year when the Biden Harris ticket was going to steam roll over Trump Pence.

I listened for how many people were polled and what the margin of error was, but I don't believe that information was shared.

There are a lot of reasons that margin of error can be larger than thought or specified. Gallop polls use an algorithm to randomly poll a number of people, but not all of the population share the same probability of being part of that poll. People without phones can't be called. People with multiple lines have a greater chance of being polled. Certain populations are more willing to take these polls while others won't entertain it all. There is a lot of room for error.

We have seen using polls as a forecast is terribly unreliable. Could it be used as a picture of the current political climate, sure. But, that could quickly change.

And to clarify, I am not disagreeing with the video or it's take, just the credibility of polls themselves.

Though anyone can see that Biden and Harris aren't exactly popular. Biden was most people's 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th choice to begin with in the primaries. He was a safe alternative to Trump. He brings his own concerns with his age, but he was the let's get Trump out choice. So there wasn't a lot of hestiancy in voting for him when it came to it.

Harris dropped out of the primary early and didn't even get any delegates. She wasn't popular in that race to begin with. I do see the hypocrisy in her calling out Biden for racist stuff, then laughing it off once she got the nod to be VP. As VP she hasn't had a real role like past VPs have. I believe she was given the task of taking care of the Mexican border issues, which I'm not sure how much she did on that. Doesn't seem much. It was more prolific in the news early on, and I remember her getting a lot of shit. She has mostly been in an office with it seems little to do overall as VP. It's not a surprise she would poll low. People don't know what she is doing or what she has done really.

Biden has taken a lot of flack for his refusal to open the oil reserves. Inflation has been terrible. A democratic led Senate has had trouble getting his infrastructure bill among others because of some political outliers, so his agenda has been hit and miss. He just signed a $770 billion defense bill that passed because of course republicans were on board with that. Those social bills just aren't important to them, but over spending on the military is great. Anyway back to the point, citing all the above, it's no surprise Biden is not polling high either.

Again he was a safety net. A means to an end in getting Trump out. I think most people want new younger candidates to run next election.

I could see Trump using this poll if they run against each other again, which I hope does not happen.

 

[Chris Craig]

He couldn't get a sponsorship so he is going all in. He is going to race eith a car that says fuck the president. Wow.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

He couldn't get a sponsorship so he is going all in. He is going to race eith a car that says fuck the president. Wow.

He's literally Brandon.

 

[andalusian]

For the record, I did not listen to the poll since I am really not interested, but since I like statistics - some observations:

There are a lot of reasons that margin of error can be larger than thought or specified. Gallop polls use an algorithm to randomly poll a number of people, but not all of the population share the same probability of being part of that poll. People without phones can't be called. People with multiple lines have a greater chance of being polled. Certain populations are more willing to take these polls while others won't entertain it all. There is a lot of room for error.

97% of Americans own a phone, so not being able to be polled is really not an issue in the modern world. The multiple lines issue is also not interesting.

The most interesting thing written above is:

"not all of the population share the same probability of being part of that poll"

If it is a proper SRS - the probability is the same and this argument is not important.

- I have no idea how Gallup conducts their polls and how reliable they are, but assuming a proper randomized calling algorithm - I doubt there is any issue with the results and the size of the margin of errors (which will be directly related to the size of the sample).

And to clarify, I am not disagreeing with the video or it's take, just the credibility of polls themselves.

The credibility of the poll itself imho is dependent on the language of the questions, it would be very surprising if any of the national polling companies make mistakes by pre-determined sample selection.

Since I did not listen to the video I have no idea what the questions were - and if they were even presented in the video.

But, any respectable poll will have a proper SRS and if they get, say, 300+ sample size - you are likely to have a very small margin of error - so the issue really is to ensure that the poll questions are not biased.

 

[Chris Craig]

For the record, I did not listen to the poll since I am really not interested, but since I like statistics - some observations:



97% of Americans own a phone, so not being able to be polled is really not an issue in the modern world. The multiple lines issue is also not interesting.

The most interesting thing written above is:

"not all of the population share the same probability of being part of that poll"

If it is a proper SRS - the probability is the same and this argument is not important.

- I have no idea how Gallup conducts their polls and how reliable they are, but assuming a proper randomized calling algorithm - I doubt there is any issue with the results and the size of the margin of errors (which will be directly related to the size of the sample).



The credibility of the poll itself imho is dependent on the language of the questions, it would be very surprising if any of the national polling companies make mistakes by pre-determined sample selection.

Since I did not listen to the video I have no idea what the questions were - and if they were even presented in the video.

But, any respectable poll will have a proper SRS and if they get, say, 300+ sample size - you are likely to have a very small margin of error - so the issue really is to ensure that the poll questions are not biased.

Noted

The sample size was unclear. There is more to the credibility than the language. That is one aspect. Can they really rectify all the different factors that need to be considered when taking such a poll and guaranteeing it is representative of the while population. Can a random poll account for political affiliation, age, sex, religion, etc etc? There are so many variables it seems the margin of error has to be larger than thought.

It is a gallop poll so perhaps it is more reliable, but polls depending on who is taking them always contain some inherent bias.

The question wasn't clear. It was just about approval vs disapproval. But, it could have been a question on his job on the economy or something and the result could be used to rate his approval rating across the board on all things for the purpose of this video.

 

[andalusian]

Noted

The sample size was unclear. There is more to the credibility than the language. That is one aspect. Can they really rectify all the different factors that need to be considered when taking such a poll and guaranteeing it is representative of the while population. Can a random poll account for political affiliation, age, sex, religion, etc etc?

Unless you are asking what is the reaction for a group of republicans / white people / hindu / identify as male etc... it does not matter. If the population you sample is the general population - we do not care what it is.

In statistics, a SRS ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_random_sample ) makes it very easy to calculate margins of errors based on sample size (especially for binomial distributions or ones that can be converted to, and clearly an approve/disapprove is a binomial distribution) - and that's why it is often used. So, if the population is the general public, it does not matter if you randomly selected more asian lesbian Republicans or white libertarian gender fluid people.

There are so many variables it seems the margin of error has to be larger than thought.

As I said, if they used a SRS, it does not. That's the beauty of the math behind this.

It is a gallop poll so perhaps it is more reliable, but polls depending on who is taking them always contain some inherent bias.

Of course, if they pre-select the list of phone numbers to call based on some bias - it sure has an issue. I certainly have no idea if they do or do not, but one assumes that national companies that conduct polls would want to retain their reputation by not tainting the selection process unnecessarily.

The question wasn't clear. It was just about approval vs disapproval. But, it could have been a question on his job on the economy or something and the result could be used to rate his approval rating across the board on all things for the purpose of this video.

Well, I agree. Unless you know exactly what the questions were and that a properly random sample was taken - you can not be sure what the poll said. Usually when you read polls from reputable firms (and my experience is only in business settings) - they present this information. Once it is filtered via the media - who knows...

 

[stampedehero]

I listened for how many people were polled and what the margin of error was, but I don't believe that information was shared.

There are a lot of reasons that margin of error can be larger than thought or specified. Gallop polls use an algorithm to randomly poll a number of people, but not all of the population share the same probability of being part of that poll. People without phones can't be called. People with multiple lines have a greater chance of being polled. Certain populations are more willing to take these polls while others won't entertain it all. There is a lot of room for error.

We have seen using polls as a forecast is terribly unreliable. Could it be used as a picture of the current political climate, sure. But, that could quickly change.

And to clarify, I am not disagreeing with the video or it's take, just the credibility of polls themselves.

Though anyone can see that Biden and Harris aren't exactly popular. Biden was most people's 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th choice to begin with in the primaries. He was a safe alternative to Trump. He brings his own concerns with his age, but he was the let's get Trump out choice. So there wasn't a lot of hestiancy in voting for him when it came to it.

Harris dropped out of the primary early and didn't even get any delegates. She wasn't popular in that race to begin with. I do see the hypocrisy in her calling out Biden for racist stuff, then laughing it off once she got the nod to be VP. As VP she hasn't had a real role like past VPs have. I believe she was given the task of taking care of the Mexican border issues, which I'm not sure how much she did on that. Doesn't seem much. It was more prolific in the news early on, and I remember her getting a lot of shit. She has mostly been in an office with it seems little to do overall as VP. It's not a surprise she would poll low. People don't know what she is doing or what she has done really.

Biden has taken a lot of flack for his refusal to open the oil reserves. Inflation has been terrible. A democratic led Senate has had trouble getting his infrastructure bill among others because of some political outliers, so his agenda has been hit and miss. He just signed a $770 billion defense bill that passed because of course republicans were on board with that. Those social bills just aren't important to them, but over spending on the military is great. Anyway back to the point, citing all the above, it's no surprise Biden is not polling high either.

Again he was a safety net. A means to an end in getting Trump out. I think most people want new younger candidates to run next election.

I could see Trump using this poll if they run against each other again, which I hope does not happen.

You and I are on the same wavelength. ~ "just the credibility of polls themselves." ~"She has mostly been in an office with it seems little to do overall as VP. It's not a surprise she would poll low. People don't know what she is doing or what she has done really.{Also Pence} {I believe Chaney was the most notable power broker of all the VP's I heard of because Bush was not power hungry }~"Again he was a safety net. A means to an end in getting Trump out. I think most people want new younger candidates to run next election".

 

[barfo]

One poll question where it's hard to get an unbiased sample:

"Do you avoid responding to polls?"

barfo

 

[Road Ratt]

California man allegedly planned to drive to White House, kill Joe Biden and Anthony Fauci.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/c...biden-and-anthony-fauci/ar-AAShZ77?li=BBnb7Kz

This guy was highly ambitious!

 

[Chris Craig]

California man allegedly planned to drive to White House, kill Joe Biden and Anthony Fauci.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/c...biden-and-anthony-fauci/ar-AAShZ77?li=BBnb7Kz

This guy was highly ambitious!

Very

Qanon follower

Compiled his kill list from TikTok

Acquired supplies over a period of time including guns, ammo, dark clothes, body armor and a grappling hook...

His job as a grocer was a cover

Says he can't be stopped and if he is released he will continue trip to DC to finish his plan out.

Laywers going to use the insanity defense....and for good measure. This guy is obviously mentally ill.

 

[crandc]

I reported this in another thread. Ambitious not term I would use.

 

[Road Ratt]

I reported this in another thread. Ambitious not term I would use.

When you have the ability to look beyond the heinous act that he was going to commit, then yes, considering the sheer volume of people that this guy wanted to kill on his spree. Ambitious was the perfect word for this situation. IMO.

 

[crandc]

Can't describe wanting to be a murderer ambition.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

 

[Road Ratt]

Biden Trapped on Air Force One in Snowstorm; Bezos' Flashy New Year's Party.

 

[Road Ratt]

Media Rigs Briefings To Protect Biden.

 

[stampedehero]

My local district Republican Congressman is a good Joe. He distances himself away from Trump. He is a strong advocate for military benefits.
He sees problems with the Build Back Better Reconciliation Act.
*Bans Catholic Jewish and other faith-based schools in the proposed expanded childcare program.
*Empowers the IRS by removing taxpayer protection requirements and hiring an additional 87,000 tax collection agents (USA Today)
*Provides 20 Billion for a civilian climate corps.-A key part of the Green New Deal. The government would pay, house, feed and provide medical care for a band of climate activists. {We should form a group}
*Subjects pharmaceutical companies a massive excise tax, crippling innovation and compromising the availability of life saving drugs in the US market.
*Forces taxpayers to pay for abortion on demanding several new and expanded programs.
*Permits taxpayer money to go to entities involved with China genocide against the Uygher Muslims.
*Imposes largest tax increase on America since 1968 according to the tax foundation.

Which points do you dislike?

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[HailBlazers]

Media Rigs Briefings To Protect Biden.

Weekend at Bernies.

 

[crandc]

I wish it funded abortion. Sadly, no.

 

[Road Ratt]

Biden Record High Disapproval, Doubles Down On "Pandemic Of The Unvaccinated' Amid 1M Daily Cases.



Lead America and your polls numbers go up. Be a useless piece of crap to America and your poll numbers tank. You would think this would be a simple concept to get.

 

[Hoopguru]

Biden Record High Disapproval, Doubles Down On "Pandemic Of The Unvaccinated' Amid 1M Daily Cases.



Lead America and your polls numbers go up. Be a useless piece of crap to America and your poll numbers tank. You would think this would be a simple concept to get.

Who do you like for 2024?

 

[jonnyboy]

Very

Qanon follower

Compiled his kill list from TikTok

Acquired supplies over a period of time including guns, ammo, dark clothes, body armor and a grappling hook...

His job as a grocer was a cover

Says he can't be stopped and if he is released he will continue trip to DC to finish his plan out.

Laywers going to use the insanity defense....and for good measure. This guy is obviously mentally ill.

Grappling hook lol.

 

[Road Ratt]

Who do you like for 2024?

At this rate, Satan would be better than the choices we currently have.

Seriously though. I don't see anyone in the field that I could hang my hat on. As we get closer to 2024, that may change. I doubt that my choice of candidate could ever be a republican or a democrat though.