Politics The Joe Biden Thread (2 Viewers)

[BigGameDamian]

https://www.the-sun.com/news/240960...edium=browser_notifications&utm_source=pushly

BOMBER BIDEN
Joe Biden orders FIRST military attack of presidency as US carries out revenge airstrike on Iran-backed militia in Syria

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

 

[Phatguysrule]

This was always going to happen. Biden isn't progressive. Honestly, I don't think Harris is either.

Still, such an improvement!

 

[riverman]

This was always going to happen. Biden isn't progressive. Honestly, I don't think Harris is either.

Still, such an improvement!

I was impressed to read that Doug Harris was as first gentleman in office going to start a pro bono lawyer organization to help those without ways and means across the nation...good to see him using the title to do good for those who are in need of help.

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

I was impressed to read that Doug Harris was as first gentleman in office going to start a pro bono lawyer organization to help those without ways and means across the nation...good to see him using the title to do good for those who are in need of help.

So......if Karen Pence was “Mother”, does Kamala call Douglas “Father”........or “Daddy”???? Gawd, that’d be creepier than even Pence’s approach........

 

[Minstrel]

This was always going to happen. Biden isn't progressive. Honestly, I don't think Harris is either.

He's not a progressive by the current definition of progressive--but the platform he campaigned on (and I think he believes in it sincerely) is the most progressive platform the Democrats have ever had. A bigger problem than how progressive Biden and Harris are (or aren't) is that they can't do the most impactful things themselves--they need Congress, which means they need the Senate--which means they need Joe Manchin. And Manchin is a "conservative Democrat." He's not a Republican, but he's as much the opposite of a progressive as is possible within the Democratic party. The only things that can currently pass the Senate are things that aren't too progressive for Manchin. As an example, Biden wants a $15 federal minimum wage, but Manchin doesn't. Without Manchin signing off, it really can't pass the Senate and thus get to Biden for a signature.

 

[Phatguysrule]

He's not a progressive by the current definition of progressive--but the platform he campaigned on (and I think he believes in it sincerely) is the most progressive platform the Democrats have ever had. A bigger problem than how progressive Biden and Harris are (or aren't) is that they can't do the most impactful things themselves--they need Congress, which means they need the Senate--which means they need Joe Manchin. And Manchin is a "conservative Democrat." He's not a Republican, but he's as much the opposite of a progressive as is possible within the Democratic party. The only things that can currently pass the Senate are things that aren't too progressive for Manchin. As an example, Biden wants a $15 federal minimum wage, but Manchin doesn't. Without Manchin signing off, it really can't pass the Senate and thus get to Biden for a signature.

I don't think Biden believes in or cares about what he campaigned on.

If Biden really wanted a $15 minimum wage he'd force Manchin to vote against it.

But he doesn't. So Manchin will not have to cast that vote.

 

[riverman]

So......if Karen Pence was “Mother”, does Kamala call Douglas “Father”........or “Daddy”???? Gawd, that’d be creepier than even Pence’s approach........

nah...she calls him...Who's your Daddy Now!

 

[HailBlazers]

I don't think Biden believes in or cares about what he campaigned on.

Don't think Biden knows where he is or what year it is.

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

Don't think Biden knows where he is or what year it is.

Yeah, but at least he’s aware enough to know who won the election. The former guy is too stupid to figure it out.....

 

[riverman]

Don't think Biden knows where he is or what year it is.

Nobody in DC knows more about where he is than Joe Biden....he's spent his whole life there...as to what year it is....I caught myself writing 2020 on a check last week..had to write a second one.......yeah, I still write checks. Are you saying I shouldn't run in 2024?

 

[andalusian]

Nobody in DC knows more about where he is than Joe Biden....he's spent his whole life there...as to what year it is....I caught myself writing 2020 on a check last week..had to write a second one.......yeah, I still write checks. Are you saying I shouldn't run in 2024?

If you have

1. Influenced an insurrection
2. Belittled a pandemic that killed more Americans than the WW2, Vietnam and Korea wars combined
3. Admitted that you want to date your daughter
4. Pardoned people who lied to the FBI, Stole tech secrets from American companies, committed racketeering and extortion, performed medically unnecessary tests and procedures, lied under oath to a congressional committee and threatened a witness
5. Employed Rudi Giulianni in your service

You too can run in 2024.

 

[Lanny]

He's not a progressive by the current definition of progressive--but the platform he campaigned on (and I think he believes in it sincerely) is the most progressive platform the Democrats have ever had. A bigger problem than how progressive Biden and Harris are (or aren't) is that they can't do the most impactful things themselves--they need Congress, which means they need the Senate--which means they need Joe Manchin. And Manchin is a "conservative Democrat." He's not a Republican, but he's as much the opposite of a progressive as is possible within the Democratic party. The only things that can currently pass the Senate are things that aren't too progressive for Manchin. As an example, Biden wants a $15 federal minimum wage, but Manchin doesn't. Without Manchin signing off, it really can't pass the Senate and thus get to Biden for a signature.

Manchin has to be that way or he'd lose the general election.

 

[Hoopguru]

Been reading Ulysses S Grants bio about 4' thick. I knew/heard/read a bunch about him over the years but man what a story.
Married to a staunch slave owning democratic wife/and her fam and his fold were staunch Methodist abolitionist. Grant was a dem that opposed slavery in a way that he didn't want disrupt the southern sales States to war.
He was station at fort columbia now fort vancouver for a spell and was reclusive and a drunkard as a captain. Didn't like the depressing weather here.
When he fought in the Mexican war where he learned his military gift he learned to love Mexico and wanted to leave the service have his wife move move there.
So much more about the dude....

 

[Lanny]

The Minimum Wage Debate - Let’s Get Fiscal.

$22/hr.

 

[ABM]

Can You Trust the Media? | Manufacturing Consent Explained.

Interesting....and thought-provoking.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

$22/hr.

$69 an hour.

 

[Minstrel]

Rev. William Barber to Democrats: Overrule the Senate Parliamentarian & Pass the $15 Minimum Wage.]

They don't have the votes to do that...Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema are against it, unfortunately. In addition to every Republican, obviously.

 

[Lanny]

Rev. William Barber to Democrats: Overrule the Senate Parliamentarian & Pass the $15 Minimum Wage.

Then they'll ruin Democratic support for the entire package. Gotta take that out if you want the relief package. Will have to fight for a new and reasonable minimum wage at a later date.

 

[Minstrel]

Biden doesn't care if Americans work for slave wages. If he did, he has the backing of America to get this done. Polls show high voter support for a $15 minimum wage. Biden simply doesn't have the will to do it. He has his donors backs, not he backs of American workers.

That's a nice speech but largely irrelevant. The bill has to pass the Senate and they don't have the votes for it there. You're making the same mistake that Trump supporters did--thinking the President is a king or dictator and anything the President wants, the President can do. That's not how our political system is set up.

National popular support isn't enough, because this isn't a direct democracy--it's a representative democracy, so you have to have enough representatives on board. Without Manchin and Sinema, popular sentiment isn't enough.

Edit: Passing this bill should be in the best interests of democrats. Giving Americans a $15 minimum wage hike would be a slam dunk in a re-election bid.

Nationally, yes. Manchin (and Sinema) apparently feel that it'll hurt their re-election bids in their specific states, and that's all they care about.

 

[Minstrel]

In your opinion. Which is as relevant as my opinion is. We may disagree, but don't you ever tell me that my post is irrelevant.

If what you say is irrelevant to the topic at hand, that's my opinion and perfectly valid for me to say. You get to post what you want (within the rules) and I get to post what I want (within the rules). Saying that your screed blaming the President for the Senate's actions is irrelevant is well within the rules and well within the bounds of logic.

And is one reason why I don't "debate" with people.

The reason you don't "debate" with people is because you struggle with handling disagreeing opinions.

 

[stampedehero]

If you have

1. Influenced an insurrection
2. Belittled a pandemic that killed more Americans than the WW2, Vietnam and Korea wars combined
3. Admitted that you want to date your daughter
4. Pardoned people who lied to the FBI, Stole tech secrets from American companies, committed racketeering and extortion, performed medically unnecessary tests and procedures, lied under oath to a congressional committee and threatened a witness
5. Employed Rudi Giulianni in your service

You too can run in 2024.

and be (proud?) to be a republican?

 

[stampedehero]

Then they'll ruin Democratic support for the entire package. Gotta take that out if you want the relief package. Will have to fight for a new and reasonable minimum wage at a later date.

Interesting....and thought-provoking.

After seeing that video, I came out with this conclusion. This is why we, as the target audience, can select truth instead of drinking in their profits. The presidential and political poll inaccuracies helped me understand that bias is in everything. We don't have to believe anything they say.

 

[ABM]

The reason I don't debate is that other people don't see how condescending they are to others.

I can easily "debate" with others. But when they turn that debate on me, as if I am the problem. They cross the line. Keep it to the relevant topic at hand, not the poster.

You crossed that line dude.

Now, leave me alone. I won't ask again.

I'm really going to try to be better.

 

[Lanny]

If what you say is irrelevant to the topic at hand, that's my opinion and perfectly valid for me to say. You get to post what you want (within the rules) and I get to post what I want (within the rules). Saying that your screed blaming the President for the Senate's actions is irrelevant is well within the rules and well within the bounds of logic.



The reason you don't "debate" with people is because you struggle with handling disagreeing opinions.

Minstrel, although I am sympathetic with Road Ratt's aspiration, sadly you are correct. Let me be clear that I'd love to see a $22 minimum wage but even $15 ain't gonna happen. It's got no Republicans and lacks about 6 or 7 Democrats in the Senate from passing. Schumer and Biden did the math and did the only thing they could if they wanted to keep the relief package alive.

 

[Minstrel]

I can easily "debate" with others. But when they turn that debate on me, as if I am the problem. They cross the line. Keep it to the relevant topic at hand, not the poster.

I did keep it relevant to the topic at hand. I said what you posted was irrelevant to issue of the minimum wage proposal for pending legislation. I didn't say anything about you personally.

You crossed that line dude.

As noted above, we'll have to agree to disagree.

 

[Minstrel]

Minstrel, although I am sympathetic with Road Ratt's aspiration, sadly you are correct. Let me be clear that I'd love to see a $22 minimum wage but even $15 ain't gonna happen. It's got no Republicans and lacks about 6 or 7 Democrats in the Senate from passing. Schumer and Biden did the math and did the only thing they could if they wanted to keep the relief package alive.

Oh, believe me, I'm sad to be correct too. I'd love to see the federal minimum wage increased to $15. It disappoints me that they don't have sufficient votes to pass it; that's the curse or other side of the coin of winning Senate elections in conservative states-- you get conservative Democrats who can't be counted on to help with more progressive proposals. It's still better than a Republican in those seats, but it causes disappointment at times like these.

Conservative Democrats in surprise 2008 Senate wins also tanked the public option that Obama wanted in the ACA (Obamacare). On the other hand, without those conservative Democrats (if Republicans had won the seats), the ACA would never have happened at all.

 

[Lanny]

The reason I don't debate is that other people don't see how condescending they are to others.

I can easily "debate" with others. But when they turn that debate on me, as if I am the problem. They cross the line. Keep it to the relevant topic at hand, not the poster.

You crossed that line dude.

Now, leave me alone. I won't ask again.

Nobody likes a condescending attitude. My wife particularly hates it. However, I didn't see his response as being intended to be condescending. I've crossed paths with Minstrel once or twice myself but it was because of a view that I thought was not as correct as it could be and not because I thought he was being condescending with me.

 

[Minstrel]

To be clear, I don't see "That's irrelevant to the point," to be condescension, simply an observation based in opinion. If anyone wants to tell me something I said is irrelevant, and why, I won't take it amiss.

 

[Lanny]

I did keep it relevant to the topic at hand. I said what you posted was irrelevant to issue of the minimum wage proposal for pending legislation. I didn't say anything about you personally.



As noted above, we'll have to agree to disagree.

Your first statement is correct.
I knew an asshole that used to disagree with everything I said and a lot of others thought he was very disagreeable. He used to say we'll have to agree to disagree and I hated that response. I guess that ever since I've disliked that response. Maybe it was because that asshole caused me a lot of grief.