Politics The Joe Biden Thread

[PCmor7]

I just hope in 2028 that Democrats don't forget that they made the most sensible voting bloc in the country preface their pro Biden arguments with a hypothetical endorsement of the candidate if he was dead or in a coma.

I think we just need to stop qualifying this and Democrats, heck, all sensible Americans, need to stop making this a referendum about Biden.

Biden did achieve a lot in his term. That's not disputable, although some will spin it. He got infrastructure done. He was able to enact some important pharmacy reform. The economy did well, even more so when you compare its performance in comparison with the rest of the world and what he inherited from Trump.

Really, the biggest thing is this should be a referendum on Trump being an existential threat to our country.

However, if you want to make it not just a Biden or Trump issue, if you want to make it a level, impartial playing field, OK, let's do that:

Age: Draw. One's 78 and one's 81.

Cognitive ability: Draw (and that's being generous to Trump, who has a video library messing up names and slurring his speech that would make an alcoholic blush on Saturday at 2 a.m, talked nonsense about sharks and batteries and confused the woman he raped with his ex-wife).

History of public service: Biden

Achievements as a public servent: Biden

Qualifications of cabinet and administrative staff: Biden

Potential of a qualified successor if one is needed: Biden

Didn't incite an insurrection: Biden

Not linked to Jeffrey Epstein: Biden

 

[MickZagger]

I just hope in 2028 that Democrats don't forget that they made the most sensible voting bloc in the country preface their pro Biden arguments with a hypothetical endorsement of the candidate if he was dead or in a coma.

In 2028, if the superdelegates supersede what the voters want you might see a revolt in the Democratic Party

 

[MickZagger]

I think we just need to stop qualifying this and Democrats, heck, all sensible Americans, need to stop making this a referendum about Biden.

Biden did achieve a lot in his term. That's not disputable, although some will spin it. He got infrastructure done. He was able to enact some important pharmacy reform. The economy did well, even more so when you compare its performance in comparison with the rest of the world and what he inherited from Trump.

Really, the biggest thing is this should be a referendum on Trump being an existential threat to our country.

However, if you want to make it not just a Biden or Trump issue, if you want to make it a level, impartial playing field, OK, let's do that:

Age: Draw. One's 78 and one's 81.

Cognitive ability: Draw (and that's being generous to Trump, who has a video library messing up names and slurring his speech that would make an alcoholic blush on Saturday at 2 a.m, talked nonsense about sharks and batteries and confused the woman he raped with his ex-wife).

History of public service: Biden

Achievements as a public servent: Biden

Qualifications of cabinet and administrative staff: Biden

Potential of a qualified successor if one is needed: Biden

Didn't incite an insurrection: Biden

Not linked to Jeffrey Epstein: Biden

Biden has been a great President for labor and it’s not even debatable.

So many bills passed that have created jobs and helped the American worker, union and non union.

That’s huge for me. I’m a big time pro labor Democrat.

https://theconversation.com/bidens-...her-grade-than-any-president-since-fdr-228771

As much as Republicans will try and deflect and downplay, the facts are there.

He also bailed out thousands of pensions for union workers in the Midwest who will still vote against him

 

[Phatguysrule]

I just hope in 2028 that Democrats don't forget that they made the most sensible voting bloc in the country preface their pro Biden arguments with a hypothetical endorsement of the candidate if he was dead or in a coma.

The Dems will forget about it. That's the system we have. We need to change things.

We need a single open ranked choice primary with the top 4 candidates moving on to the ranked choice general.

In as many states as possible, as well as eventually nationally, We need to adopt ranked choice voting (or similar).

We need to get rid of gerrymandering.

These are changes we can make, that can tip the scales regardless of Citizens United. These changes greatly restrict the power of the parties to choose their preferred candidates and greatly increases the difficulty of corporations to influence elections.

We should also do everything possible to make sure that elections are publicly funded.

 

[PCmor7]

What about tax cuts that help the rich and only affect the middle class in a negative way? Trump already did that.

But, hey, the plan Trump's unveiled if he wins this election will help the rich and only affect everyone else in a negative way, so he does have that.

 

[Everything Beagle]

Just a random brain fart thought.

250 years ago, we started a war over high taxes.

Our revolutional war started over a tax on tea.

A 2% tax.

Think about that before voting for more costly social prograns, and higher taxes.

Here’s the fresh turd behind your fart: Our country was founded by a bunch of rich assholes who used slave labor to maximize profits and wanted to exterminate the indigenous population. Maybe we can try something a bit less… traditional in the next 250 years.

 

[PCmor7]

Here’s the fresh turd behind your fart: Our country was founded by a bunch of rich assholes who used slave labor to maximize profits and wanted to exterminate the indigenous population. Maybe we can try something a bit less… traditional in the next 250 years.

You know, though, Trump's a mercantilist. It is a very 1770s economic approach.

 

[Everything Beagle]

You know, though, Trump's a mercantilist. It is a very 1770s economic approach.

Oh the founding fathers would have loved him I’m sure but just like the founding fathers he should not be making policy in 2024 because that’s 200 years too late to be relevant.

 

[Chris Craig]

Bruh, the wall was supposed to be a cure all I thought.

No. It was a waste of money.

 

[bulls_with_booz]

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that will be 23 billion + tip

 

[jonnyboy]

Well, when his worshippers show up in public beating people they don't like (who are walking through the park, or waiting at the bus stop) it's a problem.

When there are wildfires caused by wind and lightning and his QAnon followers feel empowered enough to blame Antifa and BLM then set up armed checkpoints in Molalla, Estacada, etc, and threaten people trying to drive through who don't "look like they're from around here". Wonder how they know what people around there look like? Maybe skin too dark?

And those are just a few examples of the assholes Trump empowers making life more dangerous and miserable for everyone.

Well, unless they look like themselves, right?

Those aren’t examples. That’s you making things up and applying your own racist undertones to it.

 

[jonnyboy]

Still have yet to see what policies would put Biden in the category of "worst of all time".

Mental health.

 

[oldfisherman]

Here’s the fresh turd behind your fart: Our country was founded by a bunch of rich assholes who used slave labor to maximize profits and wanted to exterminate the indigenous population. Maybe we can try something a bit

less… traditional in the next 250 years.

Opening a window, to let fresh air in.

Agree about using slaves 250 years ago. However, under the corrupt political tax system we now have. All of us are now slaves.

As far as exterminating the indigenous population. The democrates have become more civilized. They now exterminate unborn children.

 

[jonnyboy]

Because his opponent is Trump. If it was almost anyone else Biden would lose.

You cant just yell Trump for every argument. I mean you can, but just know it’s a shit argument based only on emotion and devoid of any logic or facts.

 

[julius]

Mental health.

Care to provide any kind of data as to how this qualifies

 

[PCmor7]

Mental health.

Because nothing says mental health better than telling your country to shoot ultraviolet light into themselves and breaking a 250-year tradition of not attacking their own capitol.

You're too much.

 

[jonnyboy]

Because nothing says mental health better than telling your country to shoot ultraviolet light into themselves and breaking a 250-year tradition of not attacking their own capitol.

You're too much.

None of that happened.

 

[jonnyboy]

You were obviously still the mistake in your daddy's left testicle

Your continued use of the "R' word, despite being warned by the mods not to calls for you to be banned. It is a disgusting use of the word and makes you disgusting for using it. Grow up kid. You'll never succeed being a constant asshole.

You can’t be serious…

 

[PCmor7]

None of that happened.

BWAHAHAHAHA! Oh, of course it did, you Trump-bot.

 

[RR7]

If you ever want your liver to fail, just have a drinking game, take a shot every time someone uses the term woke. Brought to you by the people who have called others sheep for the last 8 years or so.

 

[Chris Craig]

You cant just yell Trump for every argument. I mean you can, but just know it’s a shit argument based only on emotion and devoid of any logic or facts.

Sure we can. Trump and those who will surround him in his administration are a threat to our country. That is based in logic and fact.

All you guys have is Biden is old, Schumer can't bbq, and imagining Trump as Rambo. Trump is no fucking Rambo. I have more muscle in my pinky finger than he has in his whole body. He is no patriot. He gives a shit about himself and himself only.

He led an insurrection, he's been found responsible for raping women by a jury, convicted a felon by a jury, he has stolen and hidden top secret government documents at Mar a Lago and elsewhere. He shared confidential government information with people without clearance and with enemies. He used his hotel illegally to make money from foreign officials. He paid off a porn star he slept with while his wife was pregnant. The Saudis gave 2 billion to his son and laws firm. Trump was friends with Epstein and accused of raping a girl. These are just a few examples. This is corruption and revolting behavior across the board. Yet, you and others here openly excuse it all and will vote for him.

You give others on here a hard time because they will vote for the other guy. Biden is old, too old to be president, we have all agreed on this. We wish it were someone else. But, we will vote for him if it is him Vs Trump and for good reason and logic.

You guys can't even list policies you think Biden put in place that were bad. You guys are upset about the money spent on Ukraine. It's a lot of money. It would be nice not to have to spend so much over there, but we can't let Putin win.

You guys shit on Biden about border policies, but you can't name any other than he wasn't going to give enough money. Meanwhile, Trump's walls fell down and he had children put in cages. He then told a Republican controlled Congress and Senate to not pass Biden's Border bill because he didn't want Biden to look good. Biden has done good things during his presidency. He has had to do so with a Republican controlled Congress and Senate...not easy.

Biden is not the best president ever, not even close but he is also not the worst. Trump is among if not the worst.

 

[jonnyboy]

Care to provide any kind of data as to how this qualifies

I’m not playing this game. Your president can’t speak in sentences. There’s no chart or study needed to show this. Just vote for the guy who will be dead before his term is up, it’s fine. You are in good company here.

 

[julius]

Sure we can. Trump and those who will surround him in his administration are a threat to our country. That is based in logic and fact.

All you guys have is Biden is old, Schumer can't bbq, and imagining Trump as Rambo. Trump is no fucking Rambo. I have more muscle in my punky finger than he has in his whole body. He is no patriot. He gives a shit about himself and himself only.

He led an insurrection, he's been found responsible for raping women by a jury, convicted a felon by a jury, he has stolen and hidden top secret government documents at Mar a Lago and elsewhere. He shared confidential government information with people without clearance and with enemies. He used his hotel illegally to make money from foreign officials. He paid off a porn star he slept with while his wife was pregnant. The Saudis gave 2 billion to his son and laws firm. Trump was friends with Epstein and accused of raping a girl. These are just a few examples. This corruption and revolting behavior across the board. Yet, you and others here openly excuse it all and will vote for him.

You give others on here a hard time because they will vote for the other guy. Biden is old, too old to be president, we have all agreed on this. We wish it were someone else. But, we will vote for him if it is him Vs Trump and for good reason and logic.

You guys can't even list policies you think Biden put in place that were bad. You guys are upset about the money spent on Ukraine. It's a lot of money. It would be nice not to have to spend so much over there, but we can't let Putin win.

You guys shit on Biden about border policies, but you can't name any other than he wasn't going to give enough money. Meanwhile, Trump's walls fell down and he had children put in cages. He then told a Republican controlled Congress and Senate to not pass Biden's Border bill because he didn't want Biden to look good. Biden has done good things during his presidency. He has had to do so with a Republican controlled Congress and Senate...not easy.

Biden is not the best president ever, not even close but he is also not the worst. Trump is among if not the worst.

Yeah. But Biden is old and has brain farts. mein furher never misspeaks and is built like a Greek Adonis!!

 

[Chris Craig]

None of that happened.

Yes, it did. Live on air.

 

[Chris Craig]

I’m not playing this game. Your president can’t speak in sentences. There’s no chart or study needed to show this. Just vote for the guy who will be dead before his term is up, it’s fine. You are in good company here.

Because you can't. You have no real argument. All you have is Biden is old. We don't care.

 

[julius]

I’m not playing this game. Your president can’t speak in sentences. There’s no chart or study needed to show this. Just vote for the guy who will be dead before his term is up, it’s fine. You are in good company here.

So if not speaking in sentences is your criteria, it's good to know you aren't voting for Trump than.

And btw. It's not a game, it's called being an adult having an adult conversation. If I wanted to carry on a conversation with someone who refuses to cite facts to back up assertions, I'd talk my neighbors 3rd grader instead.

 

[jonnyboy]

That is based in logic and fact

Thats an opinion and a prediction, actually.

Biden is old, too old to be president, we have all agreed on this.

Nope, still plenty here in denial and demanding i ‘prove it’.

You guys can't even list policies you think Biden put in place that were bad

You typed this, then proceeded to list off all the things we think are bad policies that we CONSTANTLY debate over on here and have entire threads dedicated to. Not sure how you are even claiming this.

Biden is not the best president ever, not even close but he is also not the worst. Trump is among if not the worst.

Your opinion is yours and you are entitled to it.

 

[julius]

Here's the thing. All MAGA people know the insurrection happened, and it was caused by, encouraged by trump and not done by antifa, liberals in disguise or the FBI.

But they don't want to admit it because they'd then have to admit they were conned. And no one likes to admit they were conned. Plus they think they're trolling/owning libs.

They're no different then the people who screamed at the Little Rock 9, and don't want to admit they were on the wrong side of history.

Thankfully they'll be dead soon enough.

 

[jonnyboy]

So if not speaking in sentences is your criteria, it's good to know you aren't voting for Trump than.

And btw. It's not a game, it's called being an adult having an adult conversation. If I wanted to carry on a conversation with someone who refuses to cite facts to back up assertions, I'd talk my neighbors 3rd grader instead.

You’d better go knocking next door then, because i’m not doing any ‘research’ to placate you.

 

[julius]

You’d better go knocking next door then, because i’m not doing any ‘research’ to placate you.

That's because you don't have any proof and are just talking out of your ass