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Thought you might be interested in this story about the border.

Trump White House was warned sanctions on Venezuela could fuel migration

The Trump White House was warned that harsh sanctions on Venezuela could accelerate that country’s economic collapse and speed an exodus of millions of migrants to neighboring nations, according to three current and former U.S. government officials.

The Department of Homeland Security’s Office of Intelligence and Analysis delivered the classified assessments — part of a broader examination of how Venezuela’s economic implosion could affect migration in Latin America — to the White House National Security Council and the top two DHS officials in at least four reports between 2017 and 2019, the people said.

Today, however, Maduro remains in power, and a surge in Venezuelan immigrants has emerged as a flash point in the U.S. presidential election. Though Venezuelan mass migration to the United States only began after President Biden took office, concern among Trump officials about the sanctions’ potential effects, including on migration, was more extensive than previously known, according to interviews with more than two dozen current and former U.S. officials.

“This is the point I made at the time: I said the sanctions were going to grind the Venezuelan economy into dust and have huge human consequences, one of which would be out-migration,” said Thomas Shannon, who served as undersecretary for political affairs at the State Department under President Donald Trump.

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It's not going to pass with the Republicans in control of Congress. But, that's definitely something the Dems can try to push through and hold against the Republicans when it fails. Then say it's on the table still if the Dems win back Congress this fall. Give voters more initiative.
 
Bump.
Anyone else forget this guy exists and is indeed still the president? My brain keeps trying to conflate dropping out of the race with completely stepping down. I know its not the case, maybe it’s just because they dropped him like hot garbage so fast and everyone is trying so hard to inflate Kamala. It just seems like the guy is a ghost these days.
 
Bump.
Anyone else forget this guy exists and is indeed still the president? My brain keeps trying to conflate dropping out of the race with completely stepping down. I know its not the case, maybe it’s just because they dropped him like hot garbage so fast and everyone is trying so hard to inflate Kamala. It just seems like the guy is a ghost these days.
You mean, the guy that proposed a significant Supreme Court reform just two days ago?
 
Bump.
Anyone else forget this guy exists and is indeed still the president? My brain keeps trying to conflate dropping out of the race with completely stepping down. I know its not the case, maybe it’s just because they dropped him like hot garbage so fast and everyone is trying so hard to inflate Kamala. It just seems like the guy is a ghost these days.
Check out his amendments proposal for the Supreme Court....it's historical and long overdue....he's also trying to get hostages back from Gaza...those are his two current tasks at hand. Joe's never been lazy and he's turned his attention to the work without the Trump campaign interrupting the process. Pretty clear actually if you pay attention and don't need to make everything into a partisan conspiracy....(I mean you in the plural sense) It's fine to not like Joe but his term in office has been nothing short of miraculous given what he inherited.
 
How is this guy still President? The world is going to shit and he's still asleep.
 
The lesser of two evils argument, is a moronic trap too many people fall for. There is no such thing as the lesser of two evils. There is only evil.

So, when someone says Joe is the lesser of two evils. What they are really saying is, Trump and Joe are both evil.

The former framing, simply lets Joe off the hook for his evil acts. Which is literally why it is framed that way. It is easier on the psyche to keep it from too much trauma, as it cushions the mind... from the truth.

People simply don't like seeing the truth. So they have made up so many ways to avoid it, that eventually, we have stupid sayings like this one, that mask the truth.

People don't like the truth. So we have come up with too many ways to avoid it.

Humans lie to themselves so much, they don't even know how to see the truth anymore.
 
$451 billion is annual cost of the border crisis. A large part of that is unpaid hospital bills by undocumented immigrants using the same fake socials..

https://amac.us/newsline/society/il...e-us-hospitals-with-billions-in-unpaid-bills/
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I feel so bad for the medical industry.... You realize those are inflated prices so they can write them off, right?

If we had universal healthcare those prices would be a fraction, and far less than they pay in taxes. The actual cost is definitely far less than they pay.

When it costs $1200 to talk to a doctor for 3 minutes while a nurse puts a wet cast on my daughter's arm that I then have to hold in place.

$1200 just for the doctor's time. The X-ray was paid for separately. The nurse's time was paid for separately. The cast was paid for separately.

Most countries with universal healthcare that's $45 total.

It's not their fault we have a shitty healthcare system that we allow to abuse us like that.

That would be the fault of Republicans. Actually Dems as well. They've had multiple chances to get this fixed.

In January, CEO of Denver Health Donna Lynne told reporters that 8,000 illegal immigrants made roughly 20,000 visits to the city’s health system in 2023.

The total bill for uncompensated care costs last year to the system totaled $140 million, said Dane Roper, public information officer for Denver Health. More than $10 million of it was attributed to “care for new immigrants,”

That's $500 per visit. Nearly all ER visits. This is a shitty US healthcare problem, in which our leaders allow healthcare to extract money from our pockets. Not an illegal immigrant problem.
 
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The lesser of two evils argument, is a moronic trap too many people fall for. There is no such thing as the lesser of two evils. There is only evil.

So, when someone says Joe is the lesser of two evils. What they are really saying is, Trump and Joe are both evil.

The former framing, simply lets Joe off the hook for his evil acts. Which is literally why it is framed that way. It is easier on the psyche to keep it from too much trauma, as it cushions the mind... from the truth.

People simply don't like seeing the truth. So they have made up so many ways to avoid it, that eventually, we have stupid sayings like this one, that mask the truth.

People don't like the truth. So we have come up with too many ways to avoid it.

Humans lie to themselves so much, they don't even know how to see the truth anymore.
Yeah, that's straight bullshit. Trump is a far greater evil than Biden or Harris.

What you're doing right now is making the "both sides" argument look irrational.

Both sides are bad. Trump is worse than most on both sides.
 
Prisoner swap with Russia. Wall Street Journal writer Evan Gershkovitz, former Marine Paul Whelan and a Russian dissident released. Yes, US had to give back to Russia some bad people. But two Americans and a dissident free and safe. A very big deal. Not bad for senile guy.

Note Trump said he could get Americans released by himself....
 
The lesser of two evils argument, is a moronic trap too many people fall for. There is no such thing as the lesser of two evils. There is only evil.

So, when someone says Joe is the lesser of two evils. What they are really saying is, Trump and Joe are both evil.

The former framing, simply lets Joe off the hook for his evil acts. Which is literally why it is framed that way. It is easier on the psyche to keep it from too much trauma, as it cushions the mind... from the truth.

People simply don't like seeing the truth. So they have made up so many ways to avoid it, that eventually, we have stupid sayings like this one, that mask the truth.

People don't like the truth. So we have come up with too many ways to avoid it.

Humans lie to themselves so much, they don't even know how to see the truth anymore.
I like seeing the truth but that doesn't change the fact that when voting in politics you make a choice that is probably not your ideal choice but is the choice with the most damage control....if you don't like the "lesser of two evils" saying, maybe you'll understand the "false equivalency" saying. A soldier could shoot to kill or take someone prisoner and treat them according to the Geneva convention...one is the lesser of two evils. If a candidate wants authoritarian rule and to destroy civil rights legislation, it's not the same as one who wants to maintain a military budget and alliances around the globe. Choices...be careful judging folks for their personal convictions and more than not, less than ideal options at the voting booth. The truth about Joe's shortcomings doesn't change the fact that following my logic, he's the better choice for people who want personal freedoms to remain intact. The truth is, there has never been a more compulsive liar than Donald Trump. Joe is much more transparent and has much more tolerance and empathy towards all Americans than Trump ever has. I don't need to keep trauma from my view of the truth....it's part of the equation. I vote every election cycle and I've had to vote against the worst candidate more often than for the best candidate. I've asked many times but I'll ask again, who did you vote for in the last election and why? I voted Biden and can tell you without hesitating why.....he was the better option and it wasn't even close. I sincerely hope you vote. If you have voted, you have every right to complain. Like you, I also have many complaints about political theater.
 
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The lesser of two evils argument, is a moronic trap too many people fall for. There is no such thing as the lesser of two evils. There is only evil.

So, when someone says Joe is the lesser of two evils. What they are really saying is, Trump and Joe are both evil.

The former framing, simply lets Joe off the hook for his evil acts. Which is literally why it is framed that way. It is easier on the psyche to keep it from too much trauma, as it cushions the mind... from the truth.

People simply don't like seeing the truth. So they have made up so many ways to avoid it, that eventually, we have stupid sayings like this one, that mask the truth.

People don't like the truth. So we have come up with too many ways to avoid it.

Humans lie to themselves so much, they don't even know how to see the truth anymore.
the only person that believes this nonsense is yourself
 
Don't ever bother with me, unless you actually have something. That goes for everyone.

Not one person would refute this video, that I posted the other day. (though one seemingly respected member here, did at least agree with it)



I bring the truth. You want to bring something. Watch the video, and refute it with a logical answer, or link of your own. Or don't bother quoting me ever again.

I can't respect anyone who isn't willing to bother looking at the truth. If your party can't be questioned. It isn't a debate, it is just a one-sided conversation.

If you can look away from my links, don't ever bring me yours. Or your useless opinion. If you don't have to consider my links, I don't have to consider your links either. It is only fair play.

I am done playing this game where a democrat gets to dictate to me how their own party is, and a republican gets to dictate to me how their party is. This may be an open forum. But either bring something, or sit down and STFU.
 
Road Ratt is the way, the truth and the light. No man comes into reality but through him.
 
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Or don't bother quoting me ever again.
You need thicker skin to debate politics and you have the option to put people on ignore if you don't value their discourse. I hope you are not that close minded about these discussions that you would require people to like your video posting in order to find some sort of agreement about it. I haven't watched it yet but you don't need to make that personal or some sort of reason to segregate my opinions from yours. These conversations can be friendly and when they are not, I'll put that person on ignore...it works for me. I have one person on ignore and that's because of his tendency to insult and polarize every discussion with vitriol against most of the forum. Nobody needs that in their life in my view. Choices...there is plenty of bs in the democratic partty...not as much as the republican party but sure, they have their own bs...I won't argue that whether I watch your video or not....from what I've seen seeen 2020 democrats have gotten things done so the title of your video did not attract me to begin with
 
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Incidentally, yes, Democrats get to decide what their party is and Republicans get to decide what their party is. They are not obligated to consult Road Ratt. We are free to decide how or if we vote but if you aren't part of an organization you don't decide what it is.
 
Don't ever bother with me, unless you actually have something. That goes for everyone.

Not one person would refute this video, that I posted the other day. (though one seemingly respected member here, did at least agree with it)



I bring the truth. You want to bring something. Watch the video, and refute it with a logical answer, or link of your own. Or don't bother quoting me ever again.

I can't respect anyone who isn't willing to bother looking at the truth. If your party can't be questioned. It isn't a debate, it is just a one-sided conversation.

If you can look away from my links, don't ever bring me yours. Or your useless opinion. If you don't have to consider my links, I don't have to consider your links either. It is only fair play.

I am done playing this game where a democrat gets to dictate to me how their own party is, and a republican gets to dictate to me how their party is. This may be an open forum. But either bring something, or sit down and STFU.

My, my my.......did you ever notice that some posters on this site (not pointing at anyone in particular) are narrow minded, immature and innately churlish, 24/7? I sure do wish I was I knew everything like some folks seem to think they do......
 
So much for people and their listening skills. Everyone ignored my post. So I didn't have to read their posts. Like I said, fair play.

Edit: The video I posted literally shows all the sources they got their information from. It lives up the the standards of truth in journalism. If democrats won't even bother with a video that lives up to their own standards. There is no reason to ever believe a word they ever say. About anything at all. That goes to their kids, the movies they watched, etc. . If they can't get their facts straight with politics, why listen to their other lies as well.
 
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So much for people and their listening skills. Everyone ignored my post. So I didn't have to read their posts. Like I said, fair play.
I didn't ignore your post but if I did, so what? You've ignored my question to you repeatedly ...who did you vote for last election and why? I'm not the enemy. I've tried to be very supportive of your situation and tried to encourage you in my own feeble way...you seem to be fishing for adversaries here when I don't see that there are many
 

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