Toronto Raptors Dame trade ideas and rumors

[Sheldon Shape]

It's not a fool-proof plan. Ayton hasn't improved much in the last 3 years. OG can walk for nothing. Is that a fool-proof plan?

Getting an 18 & 10 center at 24 years old who was a fifth option is undoubtedly more of a sure thing than lucking into a pick where Sarr might be available and waiting 4 years for him to develop and being that guy. If they trade for OG, I'm going to assume they'll pay to keep him ala Grant. And he's among the best defensive players at his position and has room to get better at just 26 years old. Again, if you think it's likely that you're going to be able to draft a player of his caliber then we have a fundamental disagreement.

For years, the problem was that we we didn't have enough assets to put a contending team around Dame. We didn't have enough to go trade for the stars we needed. I don't want to go the same route with Scoot and Sharpe. They're 19 & 20. We have more time with them than we ever did with Dame. Focus on their development and accumulate assets.

I think you can walk and chew gum. They can develop and still compete and still make tweaks along the way. If you get these guys, it doesn't mean they'll all work perfectly. OG, Ayton, and Dick are all superior prospects to completely unknown draft picks 3 and 4 years from now.

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[KingSpeed]

They're also way better for Dame, competitively. I know the difference in taxes is massive but I think Dame will be a big deal in the national Canadian media market. It's like as big as California but only has one team. He makes an album with Drake, he gets some red and white colorways with a maple leaf on them, he wins a title and stays for a couple of seasons after. That dude could be printing money in endorsements, I would say local but in this case local is national, just not this nation.

I think Dame would have a chance at MVP there too. I’m sure that’s still one of his goals.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

You're re setting yourself up for disappointment if/when we get Ayton here.

Tigers dont change their stripes. The player Ayton has been in Phoenix is largely the same player that we'll see in Portland. Its the same player that I watched when he was in College at Arizona.

He can be a very good player.... but his mentality/aproach to the game can be infuriating.

Hes very much like a Nurk situation & caliber of player. Sometimes you love him. Sometimes its WTF? Only major difference from Nurk is the age & salary (2x)

You're right. A change of scenery never did anything for Zach Randolph.

Oh, wait...

 

[illmatic99]

The key point to consider prior to any OG trade is gauging his willingness to resign next summer. Without that wink wink agreement, the risk is too high. I'm wondering if this is the current hold up.

And OG recently left Klutch to go with CAA. I had more confidence in our relationship with Rich Paul than I do with CAA, especially with the Knicks looming as a FA destination next summer.

 

[Natebishop3]

Kyle Lowry was a good player. He was never on the same level as Dame.

 

[RR7]

what the fuck did I just watch? Might as well do his show with Riley's dick in his mouth, jesus

 

[Natebishop3]

The key point to consider prior to any OG trade is gauging his willingness to resign next summer. Without that wink wink agreement, the risk is too high. I'm wondering if this is the current hold up.

And OG recently left Klutch to go with CAA. I had more confidence in our relationship with Rich Paul than I do with CAA, especially with the Knicks looming as a FA destination next summer.

I'd still take him and flip him at the deadline.

 

[illmatic99]

I'd still take him and flip him at the deadline.

You would only be able to flip him to a team where he would resign. Market might dry up. I love OG. But am a bit worried that he would walk.

 

[illmatic99]

what the fuck did I just watch? Might as well do his show with Riley's dick in his mouth, jesus

Wish @BigGameDamian would stop posting that account.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Dame said he wants to play with OG. Portland should ask for Barnes. The numbers are more tricky but involving additional teams can solve that

Sure they can ask for him, they just won't get him. Some here might think Barnes is not that good, but Toronto still likes him a lot.

 

[blazerkor]

You're right. A change of scenery never did anything for Zach Randolph.

Oh, wait...

Yeah, I have no clue what kind of human experience leads someone to use that phrase and I definitely think it takes a very very short memory as a sports fan. "Tigers don't change their stripes"?!? People make huge turnarounds in life all of the time. They are more apt to do it in their earlier years (I definitely think a person's 20s count as their earlier years) but plenty of people make huge changes for good and for bad at all points of their life.

 

[BIG Q]

Dame is an immensely superior player to Lowery from every age to age comparison. Dame will still be Dame at 36/37. Probably better because he won't have to carry as much of the offensive burden so his assists should go up.

 

[blazerkor]

The key point to consider prior to any OG trade is gauging his willingness to resign next summer. Without that wink wink agreement, the risk is too high. I'm wondering if this is the current hold up.

And OG recently left Klutch to go with CAA. I had more confidence in our relationship with Rich Paul than I do with CAA, especially with the Knicks looming as a FA destination next summer.

I firmly believe that you have to get OG to a third team if he is one of the main pieces coming back in a Dame trade. We can't risk a rental. This isn't a conditional future first that we're trading away like we did for Jerami. If OG was on a contract with even one more year locked in I would want him on our roster but this season is going to have a lot of growing pains and we just can't have one of the main components in our return for Dame being a rental.

 

[KingSpeed]

Who was the last team that won a title without HOF talents?

Reality is, one or the other (probably both) needs to be a hall of fame talent if we are ever going to win a title.

It’s the other way around. Winning a title gets you into the HOF.

 

[inconceivable]

Sure they can ask for him, they just won't get him. Some here might think Barnes is not that good, but Toronto still likes him a lot.

If Toronto is unwilling to let go of Barnes for Dame, they don't want Dame enough, unless they they throw 5 FRPs.

It's like us not wanting to let go of Sharpe or Scoot for Mikal or Jaylen. (And those teams think it's not enough) To get high level players, you'd have to be willing to let go of something of value and/or draft capital.

If we give up Dame for OG, it's like Boston giving us Jaylen or Brooklyn giving us Mikal for Ant

 

[blazerkor]

Dame is an immensely superior player to Lowery from every age to age comparison. Dame will still be Dame at 36/37. Probably better because he won't have to carry as much of the offensive burden so his assists should go up.

Lowry's last season with the Raptors had him getting as many assists per game as Dame had last year, almost the exact same amount of steals per game but then there's the fact that Dame averaged 32.2 points per game last season and Lowry averaged 17.2. Lowry has never been close to Dame's level and while he was on a decline during his last year before the Raptors let him walk Dame is on an upswing.

Just a ridiculous comparison.

 

[illmatic99]

I firmly believe that you have to get OG to a third team if he is one of the main pieces coming back in a Dame trade. We can't risk a rental. This isn't a conditional future first that we're trading away like we did for Jerami. If OG was on a contract with even one more year locked in I would want him on our roster but this season is going to have a lot of growing pains and we just can't have one of the main components in our return for Dame being a rental.

I know Memphis and Indiana both loved him earlier. If we can extract 2 or 3 picks, we would have to consider it, regardless of how awesome he would be in our lineup.

 

[Graduate32]

You would only be able to flip him to a team where he would resign. Market might dry up. I love OG. But am a bit worried that he would walk.

I completely understand and empathize with that concern. All that said, even without a *wink wink* deal in place prior to the trade, the Blazers have two things working in their favor: 1) OG is eligible for a big max next year that no team in their right mind will pay, even if he takes a step forward in role and performance on the Blazers. It is highly unlikely that the Blazers wouldn't be able to retain him due to them being outbid. As Jerami and Nurk has seemingly showed, we'll pay above market for our players. And 2) I think OG is looking for the type of role on team that looks awfully similar to the type of role he'd have on the Blazers (especially if we were to move on from Grant). He'd have an opportunity to get his shots with this team as it currently stands.

That said, if you can flip him now for some quality assets young players/picks or officially get that *wink wink* guarantee all the better.

 

[Natebishop3]

I firmly believe that you have to get OG to a third team if he is one of the main pieces coming back in a Dame trade. We can't risk a rental. This isn't a conditional future first that we're trading away like we did for Jerami. If OG was on a contract with even one more year locked in I would want him on our roster but this season is going to have a lot of growing pains and we just can't have one of the main components in our return for Dame being a rental.

Walker and a fuck ton of picks for OG?

 

[blazerkor]

I know Memphis and Indiana both loved him earlier. If we can extract 2 or 3 picks, we would have to consider it, regardless of how awesome he would be in our lineup.

I think if Indiana likes him enough they should be willing to give up McConnell who would go to Phoenix with Nurk and Thad Young for Ayton and Jarace Walker. I know everyone has to like Walker a lot but OG fits what Indy is doing right now and if they like him enough he should be worth that package. Maybe that's wishful thinking on my part though because I'm pretty high on Walker's potential.

 

[illmatic99]

Walker and a fuck ton of picks for OG?

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I dont think they would let Walker go.

 

[blazerkor]

Walker and a fuck ton of picks for OG?

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Honestly I like Walker so much that I would take him and McConnell who would be routed to Phoenix as part of what we send to acquire Ayton. If we could extract more picks I'd be ecstatic.

 

[BIG Q]

I firmly believe that you have to get OG to a third team if he is one of the main pieces coming back in a Dame trade. We can't risk a rental. This isn't a conditional future first that we're trading away like we did for Jerami. If OG was on a contract with even one more year locked in I would want him on our roster but this season is going to have a lot of growing pains and we just can't have one of the main components in our return for Dame being a rental.

I understand your reluctance, but as you noted, we just gambled on Grant. Everyone is pretty sure they had a wink wink deal agreed to prior to the trade. I am sure they can do the same with OG. OG is actually perfect for what Portland needs. Defends, shoots, perfect.

 

[Natebishop3]

I dont think they would let Walker go.

Do you just go for picks picks picks?

Take on Hield and try to flip him for another pick?

 

[e_blazer]

Add a couple of firsts to the Blazers and I’d do it. It leaves the team with solid starters at every position, plenty of youth to build on, and decent depth. If Scoot is as good as advertised, and if Shaedon shows that the end of last season wasn’t a fluke, that’s a team that would be fun to watch and could make the play-ins.

 

[Blazinaway]

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He does not know

Walker and a fuck ton of picks for OG?

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Come on, you think you could get Walker (who was pick #8) and a "fuck ton" of picks for OG? LOL Get walker for OG and be happy!

 

[BIG Q]

Lowry's last season with the Raptors had him getting as many assists per game as Dame had last year, almost the exact same amount of steals per game but then there's the fact that Dame averaged 32.2 points per game last season and Lowry averaged 17.2. Lowry has never been close to Dame's level and while he was on a decline during his last year before the Raptors let him walk Dame is on an upswing.

Just a ridiculous comparison.

No, my comparison was dead on, and you confirmed it. Re-read my post you quoted. Nothing but Dame superlatives in it.

 

[Natebishop3]

Come on, you think you could get Walker (who was pick #8) and a "fuck ton" of picks for OG? LOL Get walker for OG and be happy!

Rumors were that there were offers of multiple picks for OG before the trade deadline. I don't know what his value is right now.

 

[BIG Q]

I know Memphis and Indiana both loved him earlier. If we can extract 2 or 3 picks, we would have to consider it, regardless of how awesome he would be in our lineup.

I will concede this point. That has always been in the back of my mind. Memphis wanted him badly. Much of why I am so high on him.