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Phatguysrule said:
We should be able to get those picks from the Dame trade, shouldn't we?

Feels better than the perpetual tank...
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Just like Boston did. They did the opposite of tanking when Jaylen Brown was drafted in 2016 and Jayson Tatum was drafted in 2017.

Cheer for another team to tank while you win games.

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BonesJones said:
If Scoot and Shae don't pop, the only way we're not screwed is if we have guys who do. Only way to realistically do that (outside of a miracle Giannis/Jokic type of pick) is to have high draft picks or a ton of assets to star chase.

Who says turn down OG? We could probably flip him for first round picks. If that's better than Miami's package, fine. You can always trade first round picks for high-caliber role players when Scoot & Sharpe are ready. I just don't understand why we need to have those types of guys now instead of focusing on developing the young core over winning and then adding those pieces when they're ready.
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Flipping OG may be the primary plan even if we trade Dame for him.

The flip doesn't have to be the exact day of the Dame trade. A few months later in the season is fine. See how the OG Ayton Scoot Sharpe experiment goes, and if the team is bad as we expect flip them plus Grant for picks.

If we get an unexpected surprise and the team is winning consider keeping it together, that seems unlikely though.

Gives players and fans something fun to start the season with, but the pragmatic strategists ultimately get their same long term assets.
 
BonesJones said:
We've drafted two players in the last two years that are supposed to end up better than they are, and probably have to be. Don't know why we can't add similar pieces to the core the next couple of years. We brought in Schmitz for a reason.
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You know, I saw the writing on the wall much sooner than most here with Dame wanting out. I, and a few others posited to send Dame to a contender and start the rebuild using the mantra "we brought Schmitz in for a reason." We all know you are hard core pro Dame everything along with other posters here. That is fine. But please don't be disingenuous invoking Schmitz's name now to not absorb talented players we can get in a Dame deal. You could not care less if Schmitz was doing his job if it meant Dame stayed in Portland. Now you want Schmitz to do his thing in the face of Portland drafting Sharpe/Scoot and being in the running for Ayton/OG? Come on, maybe you want two more years of lottery so you can say "see, I told you so, should of kept Dame." I'm fine with taking talent when the price is right.
 
Phatguysrule said:
We should be able to get those picks from the Dame trade, shouldn't we?

Feels better than the perpetual tank...
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I'm not a fan of a "perpetual" tank. I'm a fan of focusing on development of Scoot, Sharpe, and Simons. Let those guys have the bulk of the responsibility on both sides of the ball next year and challenge them. Even if the plan isn't to keep Simons, if he takes another step then it'll only increase his trade value at the deadline. Sharpe shined with more offensive responsibility last year. Bring in OG and it's likely the Blazers decide to bring him off the bench. I'm not a fan of that.

I don't want Portland to rely on picks from a Dame trade to build a contender. I like the idea of trying to build one before 2027, by the time the Blazers receive future unprotected picks from Toronto or Miami. I have more confidence Miami will struggle between 2027-2030 because Jimmy is even older than Dame is and they'd have no young core left. Also, Riley could be gone by then. Maybe they're in the 20s, or maybe their top 5. If you have a contending level roster that's still in the mid-20's AND top 5 picks, that sounds like the recipe for a juggernaut and the only way Portland could ever get a "superteam". But if they build the right way, they would be fine if those picks are lower because that's where your more likely to find role players to fill out the backend of a rotation.
 
BIG Q said:
You know, I saw the writing on the wall much sooner than most here with Dame wanting out. I, and a few others posited to send Dame to a contender and start the rebuild using the mantra "we brought Schmitz in for a reason." We all know you are hard core pro Dame everything along with other posters here. That is fine. But please don't be disingenuous invoking Schmitz's name now to not absorb talented players we can get in a Dame deal. You could not care less if Schmitz was doing his job if it meant Dame stayed in Portland. Now you want Schmitz to do his thing in the face of Portland drafting Sharpe/Scoot and being in the running for Ayton/OG? Come on, maybe you want two more years of lottery so you can say "see, I told you so, should of kept Dame." I'm fine with taking talent when the price is right.
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Huh? I wanted to build around Dame. That's obviously not going to happen, so now I'm embracing the idea of a rebuild. Teams shouldn't approach building around a superstar in their 30s and 19 & 20 year olds the same exact way.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Flipping OG may be the primary plan even if we trade Dame for him.

The flip doesn't have to be the exact day of the Dame trade. A few months later in the season is fine. See how the OG Ayton Scoot Sharpe experiment goes, and if the team is bad as we expect flip them plus Grant for picks.

If we get an unexpected surprise and the team is winning consider keeping it together, that seems unlikely though.

Gives players and fans something fun to start the season with, but the pragmatic strategists ultimately get their same long term assets.
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I think OG would have more value now when a team could bring him in for a full season and would have longer to sell him on staying and evaluate his fit.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Offered by Toronto, or requested by Portland? IMO, that seems like a deal the Blazers would jump on if Toronto offered it.
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We'll know if it happens by tonight... because yeah, I think Portland would be all over it. Or maybe they'd give Miami a chance to get serious first...
 
BonesJones said:
I'm not a fan of a "perpetual" tank. I'm a fan of focusing on development of Scoot, Sharpe, and Simons. Let those guys have the bulk of the responsibility on both sides of the ball next year and challenge them. Even if the plan isn't to keep Simons, if he takes another step then it'll only increase his trade value at the deadline. Sharpe shined with more offensive responsibility last year. Bring in OG and it's likely the Blazers decide to bring him off the bench. I'm not a fan of that.

I don't want Portland to rely on picks from a Dame trade to build a contender. I like the idea of trying to build one before 2027, by the time the Blazers receive future unprotected picks from Toronto or Miami. I have more confidence Miami will struggle between 2027-2030 because Jimmy is even older than Dame is and they'd have no young core left. Also, Riley could be gone by then. Maybe they're in the 20s, or maybe their top 5. If you have a contending level roster that's still in the mid-20's AND top 5 picks, that sounds like the recipe for a juggernaut and the only way Portland could ever get a "superteam". But if they build the right way, they would be fine if those picks are lower because that's where your more likely to find role players to fill out the backend of a rotation.
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That sounds like a great consolation if we can't get it going sooner. Not trying to knock it... I just hate watching new GMs who have never proven anything bake their cake into a longer stretch of job security.
 
Samuel said:
I wonder if there's anything in there to phoenix's liking as the nurkic addition.
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Phoenix would love length. Precious or Koloko on cheap contracts. If they can go to Portland with OG and Dick you do the Ayton deal separate from the Dame deal.
 
Phatguysrule said:
That sounds like a great consolation if we can't get it going sooner. Not trying to knock it... I just hate watching new GMs who have never proven anything bake their cake into a longer stretch of job security.
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For sure. I just don't want to get stuck in the middle again. That's my worry. I want a superteam. I want a team good enough that people can't sleep on Portland like they're used to.

It'd also be cool to cover deep playoff runs and talk about players (or trades) with top draft picks.
 
BIG Q said:
Phoenix would love length. Precious or Koloko on cheap contracts. If they can go to Portland with OG and Dick you do the Ayton deal separate from the Dame deal.
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Koloko back to Arizona!
 
Phatguysrule said:
We'll know if it happens by tonight... because yeah, I think Portland would be all over it. Or maybe they'd give Miami a chance to get serious first...
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Normally I’d say give Dame one more shot at his destination of choice but given the way the Heat have negotiated and given the seemingly unstable nature of Masai offers, I’d just get phx on the line and wrap it up.
 
Blazinaway said:
Nas to

Nas to Indy and McConnell to Phx? wonder if they would have interest in Nas
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I suggested that in the past.
I think Indiana would like Nas as a stable SF. I think he'd fit there really well.
 
cdub503 said:
can you use your connects to get this thing done one way or another im fuckin over this constant state of WHENS IT GONNA HAPPEN?!
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No kidding. To be clear, LOL, if this wasn’t already, I have zero pull, input, nothing

a PSA from MM
 
Everything is so quiet now. I thought if they were truly going to pull the trigger on a Dame trade before camp it'd get agreed to by today so physicals can be done and it becomes official before Monday.

So either it's quiet because we're minutes away from a Woj bomb..... or were just going to roll with this roster the next few months.
 
Mediocre Man said:
No kidding. To be clear, LOL, if this wasn’t already, I have zero pull, input, nothing

a PSA from MM
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haha i know just yankin your chain a bit and venting frustration of how painstaking this process is and has been...
 
Gotta admit, I’m following this from my local watering hole. Love Gambo but he’s not on. He is seriously connected. Would love to be listening to him now.
 
wizenheimer said:
is Gambo the Phoenix insider?

a little suspicious it was deleted?
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I believe he is their insider, yes. I think on RealGM someone said he had retweeted from an unreliable account, which is why he deleted it? Who knows. Seems if he is an insider, he wouldn't have to retweet someone else's stuff.
 
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