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Cugel said:
Joe cant seriously expect an unprotected FRP. Hopefully that is posturing or just keep time lord.
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I think he'd be a fool to SAY otherwise.

Trading's a game. It's a negotiation. Always start by asking for more and offering less and then compromise.

When I first saw that post, my reaction is "We're going to trade Timelord for a protected first."
 
PCmor7 said:
I think he'd be a fool to SAY otherwise.

Trading's a game. It's a negotiation. Always start by asking for more and offering less and then compromise.

When I first saw that post, my reaction is "We're going to trade Timelord for a protected first."
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Basic negotiations 101
 
There is a problem with the Lakers pick being protected and that is that they've already traded their 2031 second round pick and the only pick they can trade is their 2031 FRP. If there are protections on that pick and the pick lands within the protected range then we will get nothing. The fact is they only have a FRP in the last year picks can be traded right now so they can't roll a protection forward or anything like that.

I think the Lakers and Joe should be good with us sending them Rob and a future second round pick with them sending us Vincent, Reddish and their 2031 FRP unprotected. Throw another future second rounder on from us if that makes the thing go through but we aren't giving them Rob and therefore a much better chance at a title, taking Vincent's bad contract and not getting a FRP in return.
 
PCmor7 said:
Said it several times, there are multiple ways of "developing" someone.

Playing someone 42 minutes isn't always the proper way to "develop" a prospect.

IMO, we have too many people right now that think or want this to be the only way.

If Shaedon needs to be punished minutes to get better or to observe a pro showing him the right way to win to make him reach his potential, that's development, too.

I think a number of people on the board just might be a little better off keeping an open mind and letting things play out. The sky hasn't fallen yet. The stock market hasn't crashed. You're robbing yourselves of your own joy by being so pessimistic and you're making this less fun for some of your fellow fans by continuing wet-blanketing anything the team does.
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listen I’m tired of your smug arrogant attitude. I’ve coached kindergarten and 1st graders I can tell when a coach isn’t playing the kids I want to see play

I agree with most of what you said Sharpe needs to improve his defense so I can see why he was demoted. Scoot deserved to be in last night and would have been good for him to learn in those moments

by the way I’ve coached all the way up to high school level so my knowledge is just below NBA level
 
Natebishop3 said:
Basic negotiations 101
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Hey, I'll gladly take the unprotected first if they can get it; the Blazers have a glut at the 5. I'm completely on board with the trade-Grant train if it goes threw Portland and carries some draft capital. The Blazers have shown they can win without Grant and that he's a luxury, and now Grant's had a couple of games to show contenders he's still got enough of an offensive game left to be a very solid complementary piece.

If they can deal Ant and get something decent in return, I'm fine with that, although I don't like giving a 3-level scorer who's trying harder on defense and playing at a better-than-Dame level on that end right now for nothing just because he's 25.

I'm just not for trading guys for nothing. If our young guys are good enough, and if Chauncey's really playing to win, I don't think he's holding Scoot, Shaedon and Clingan out just because he likes players a couple of years older. Clingan clearly needs to watch and practice against someone like Ayton. Shaedon needs to grow up a bit, I think, and we need to find out whether he really loves the game before we give away players to clear the road for him. Scoot's pretty much ready to run the team, and he's been getting good minutes and even clutch minutes ... if these kids are ready to play, like Scoot, Chauncey will play them.
 
blazerkor said:
I still think that trading Ant and Dalano to Orlando for Anthony Black and Cole Anthony is a good idea. If we can squeeze draft assets out of them as well great but in the long run I think someone like Anthony Black is much more valuable in Chauncey's system than Ant and Ant is what the Magic are missing right now. The trade just makes sense for both teams.
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I just can't get excited about that return. I'd only consider it if we got good draft assets out of them.

Ant's definitely what the Magic is missing. I think this trade really would make us so much worse in the backcourt, though ... honestly, not even being the biggest Banton fan and I'd rather have him than either of the two young Magic guards.

I think we might need to think a little more about Chauncey's system, too. Yeah, Chauncey likes long guys that can defend ... but he also likes guys offensively who can create and score on their own, and I don't think he's so dogmatic as to hold poor defense against a guy that can get buckets.
 
With that prospective Timelord asking price, too, I think one has to consider that if it's for a pick this year, no team drafting in the top 10 maybe with the exception of OKC is trading for Robert Williams. You're looking at a pick 15-somewhere in the 20s, so protecting it wouldn't be necessary.
 
Would be good now AND for the future...
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Blazinaway said:
Orlando 1-9 last 10 games, would think the pressure is on the do something and get some shooting which they are awful at
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Anfernee Simons... hometown hero come on down and we'll throw in Dalano Banton and all it will cost Orlando is Denver's FRP in this draft, Anthony Black and Cole Anthony.

I think that's a good trade for both teams... obviously because I've been suggesting some iteration of this it way too much since the 2024 draft.
 
Just cause we are not hearing of rumors does not mean Joe is sitting around his office taking a nap or something. In some ways not hearing rumors gives me hope cause most of the time when we hear rumors that means the deal is either dead by one of the teams not liking the others offer.
 
PCmor7 said:
I'm just trying to think how this whole idea would work now that we feel we have a pretty good core so we should just actively try to lose from here on out.
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I guess maybe my definition of core player is different from others

for me, a core player is elite or indispensable. I think there were two core players on the Aldridge/Dame team: Dame and Aldridge. From 2015 thru 2023, the Blazers had one core player: Dame

I think it's uncommon for a team to have more than 2 core players; and quite rare to have more than 3. And core players are pretty much untouchable unless they ask to be traded

for this current team, nobody has reached the level of a core player yet, at least not how I define it. One or two of Scoot-Sharpe-Deni-Camara may reach core status in the next 2-3 seasons. But that's not certain, at all
 
Ripcity4life77 said:
Just cause we are not hearing of rumors does not mean Joe is sitting around his office taking a nap or something. In some ways not hearing rumors gives me hope cause most of the time when we hear rumors that means the deal is either dead by one of the teams not liking the others offer.
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This is a great point but allow me not to get my hopes up and be pleasantly surprised with any solid moves we make between now and Thursday morning.
 
B-Roy said:
Buha reports for the Lakers. So it's obvious the Blazers are asking for the Lakers 2031 unprotected.
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it doesn't really matter who the reporter is

if Cronin is demanded an unprotected 1st for Timelord, he's fucking nuts
 
I'll be surprised if Cronin makes any move with a rotation player...or an injured one

the winning streak couldn't have come at a worse time
 
wizenheimer said:
it doesn't really matter who the reporter is

if Cronin is demanded an unprotected 1st for Timelord, he's fucking nuts
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or he doesn’t want to trade him so ask an ungodly amount and if someone’s willing to pay it then you make the trade. My guess is he’d settle for FRP lottery protected
 
Ripcity4life77 said:
Just cause we are not hearing of rumors does not mean Joe is sitting around his office taking a nap or something. In some ways not hearing rumors gives me hope cause most of the time when we hear rumors that means the deal is either dead by one of the teams not liking the others offer.
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:cheers::clap:
 
wizenheimer said:
I guess maybe my definition of core player is different from others

for me, a core player is elite or indispensable. I think there were two core players on the Aldridge/Dame team: Dame and Aldridge. From 2015 thru 2023, the Blazers had one core player: Dame

I think it's uncommon for a team to have more than 2 core players; and quite rare to have more than 3. And core players are pretty much untouchable unless they ask to be traded

for this current team, nobody has reached the level of a core player yet, at least not how I define it. One or two of Scoot-Sharpe-Deni-Camara may reach core status in the next 2-3 seasons. But that's not certain, at all
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I think it's semantics, isn't it? One is talking about the team's core. The other is talking about core players.

What I interpret you as saying is core players are the players you are building around. What I'm saying is the core of the team as the players who are basically who forms the general framework of the team and the identity of who you want to be.

I'm not sure if anyone really cares about my definition or yours for these things. I don't think it's mutually exclusive and, like you said, it's more about our personal ideas.
 
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