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...^^^yeah, I saw that earlier..."a house (of cards) divided cannot stand".
 
Just means Flynn is cutting a deal.

I sure hope we don't go resignation or impeachment because that will mean every president here after will be targeted until this country splits. Too much impeachment talk during W and O admins, we cannot let politics devolve further.
 
Just means Flynn is cutting a deal.

I sure hope we don't go resignation or impeachment because that will mean every president here after will be targeted until this country splits. Too much impeachment talk during W and O admins, we cannot let politics devolve further.

I don't agree with that, Tote...while every POTUS is scrutinized not every POTUS is as bombastic as Trump...and he has brought all of this on himself. He should have never been elected in the first place, and as I've said, the only reason he was elected is because he was the only one on the ballot not named Hillary Clinton.

I also have never been able to rationalize our dysfunctional bipartisan system...legislators stubbornly voting along party lines or out of spite, instead of doing the right thing and voting for was is best and what is right for our nation as a whole.
 
Ron on the bombastic scale, Trump is 110% and rising .

And I do understand why that drives people nuts.

However we have entered a time where partisanship is hyper sensitive. If the left gets rid of trump, than the next left prez will also be gotten rid of. It will be an unending cycle until the right gets pissed enough to use their superiority in arms/military numbers and put down the left once and for all. It will put the civil war to shame. If you can't sense the tension and fragility, you got to step back and take it all in. The unintended consequences will be transformative.

Personally I have prepared for that eventuality, reluctantly. I prefer a more civil discourse. Yet I would not lose a wink of sleep eradicating every last leftist I could find should we cross the brink.
 
Ron on the bombastic scale, Trump is 110% and rising .

And I do understand why that drives people nuts.

However we have entered a time where partisanship is hyper sensitive. If the left gets rid of trump, than the next left prez will also be gotten rid of. It will be an unending cycle until the right gets pissed enough to use their superiority in arms/military numbers and put down the left once and for all. It will put the civil war to shame. If you can't sense the tension and fragility, you got to step back and take it all in. The unintended consequences will be transformative.

Personally I have prepared for that eventuality, reluctantly. I prefer a more civil discourse. Yet I would not lose a wink of sleep eradicating every last leftist I could find should we cross the brink.


...can't buy into that.

...not ready to throw in the towel...not ready to start shooting people.
 
...can't buy into that.

...not ready to throw in the towel...not ready to start shooting people.
Perhaps the difference is that I live behind enemy lines. The thing that get me here is I hear folks on the alt left talking about southerns ( their perception of alt right racists homophobes) the same way the alt right talks about progressive liberals. It's getting out of control.

Trump is a symptom, but also one that provides an enabling but also stabilizing feedback loop. Removing him will not solve the tensions, it would amplify them.

If you disagree with that and you believe the problems we have can be solved by impeachment, then I'd like to understand how someone who behaves more presidential or sounds smarter or smoother unites a divided country. Because Obama couldn't either, in fact he's responsible for trump voters.

We can't even nominate a person with principle on either side of the aisle, so I'm curious how we find unity without trampling anyone's rights?
 
How this nation ever finds unity (without a natl disaster), I will never know.
 
Perhaps the difference is that I live behind enemy lines. The thing that get me here is I hear folks on the alt left talking about southerns ( their perception of alt right racists homophobes) the same way the alt right talks about progressive liberals. It's getting out of control.

Trump is a symptom, but also one that provides an enabling but also stabilizing feedback loop. Removing him will not solve the tensions, it would amplify them.

If you disagree with that and you believe the problems we have can be solved by impeachment, then I'd like to understand how someone who behaves more presidential or sounds smarter or smoother unites a divided country. Because Obama couldn't either, in fact he's responsible for trump voters.

We can't even nominate a person with principle on either side of the aisle, so I'm curious how we find unity without trampling anyone's rights?

...you answered the question yourself...neither Clinton, Obama, or Trump can help the way they are...so evidently the problem lies with the people who nominated/elected them instead of with the leaders themselves.
...like I've said many times, a bipartisan system is too counterproductive and dysfunctional...and since nearly 2/3 of the country does not like the way Trump is handling things, I don't see how replacing someone who has obviously divided this country more than ever, would "amplify" things. So it seems that puts you and the idea of war mongering in the minority
 
I'd venture to say most GOP Congress members, who are honest w/out fear of Trump, would say: "Trump's destabilized America" more than he's stabilized the nation.....

and-

I've no probs with impeachment of Trixon. The years that followed Nixon's impeachment was not a time of division in this nation; rather one of unification, knowing the crook was no longer in control....

In the years that followed Nixon's resignation- and:
Not until Carter's administration would this nation begin to see de-stabilization; which was necessary to usher in a strong candidate from the GOP, ie Reagan, who gave America back its balls....
 
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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/27/opinion/senate-tax-bill-scam.html

speaking of Taxes, I'd love to see a referendum that requires all potus candidates, and sitting potus's, to provide for all to see: transparent tax returns. What's Trump hiding, the fact he's leeched off the public all his life; and how much has he made in business dealings with Russia....


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...964a08-d3b5-11e7-b62d-d9345ced896d_story.html

...anyone who thinks that Trump would not benefit greatly by this proposed "tax reform" plan is fooling themselves.

...and you're right, this deal that the GOP is trying to push through is in fact "a scam" that is purely politically motivated.
 
...not sure who is more fucked up, the GOP, or Trump, or the Dems.

2 in need of major overhaul from the ground up, 1 in need of asylum outside the US....

the future will be more than interesting to see, as both parties will imo, fail to re-define their parties in the context of their original charters, ie the fundamentals both stood for, which some need restored. Old values should die hard, yet we've witnessed assasination of both parties within a very short time....

some would say this has been going on forever, yet I beg to differ. Even with a GOP Potus and Lib Congress, or vice versa, numerous presidents and congresses have proven to be competent and able to create sound policy and legislation, with bi-partisanship, one half from across the aisle, reaching out to the other to keep this naton running.

Never; (not until Clinton unzipped his pants), have both parties remained secluded, singularly dimensional, with a charter to always go against what the other want's or stands for....never have 2 parties crossed each other, with no intent to better this nation by working together, with an open mind, and not a one track agendae(s) in which few benefit....

as members of Congress, one would expect each to comprehend they are all in the same ship, one sinks they all sink. In this era, both have built their own 'border walls' to block out the other party. In decades back, differences often were put aside, to enable tax bills, budgets, basically enough to keep the nation running; and somewhat content. Tho' I'm not a fan of Lincoln, he knew he couldn't please everyone, but a potus or congress, can and should maintain a majority of team mates, otherwise they're just playing games, proving their incompetence, and further beliefs both parties are broken, in dire need of repairs to say the least. Or is an entire overhaul necessary, the million $$$ Q-....
 
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http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trum...earing-presidents-authority/story?id=51027858

this should get interesting. Since only Congress can declare "War" imo it's Congress who has the sole authority (or should), to even consider Nukes as an option. For a good damn reason too-
They are clueless. This is a body of individuals that is so dysfunctional they can't salvage a budget, let the government go into total red line and still endorse foreign aid. How could they make any split second decisions regarding Nukes?
 
...^^^ nothing that comes from our current administration surprises me anymore...I'll say it again, Trump and the GOP are screwed.
 
pretty much every other nation has object to President Twitter stating Jerusalem is the capital of Israel. Nothing like losing allies left and right
 
...SNL...funny stuff






effing falling out of my chair....:roflmao:

tons of great one liner's, great skit....endless laughter start to finish...!

"I need someone to put up the manger scene, Pence was going to do it, but his wife doesn't wan't him playing with dolls, it might give him urges"....
 
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