Way too early trade suggestions (13 Viewers)

[RR7]

That one is probably the most tempting one I've seen. McDaniels has been awesome this year. So much so that I really don't see the Wolves trading him. (But then I thought that about Washington and Deni, so...?)

Exciting Jaden McDaniels trend shows that he's just scratching the surface

Jaden McDaniels not only scores more, but also shoots better when Anthony Edwards is out of the lineup.

dunkingwithwolves.com

Would seem to slightly fit that "Deni" mold of a younger guy that hasn't yet broken out/given the space to break out on his current team. I dunno if he would here either, but it sure is enticing to think about him and Camara being able to switch everything guarding the opponents two best players.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Given that the main thing the Bucks are getting is the picks from us, whereas the Wolves are getting the best player, if we could re-jig it so we get Randle and they get Jerami, would that be good? Randle fills a roster gap (low-post scoring) and he's shown that he can commit to defense. I feel we should also give the Bucks Yang, just as frosting on the cake.

 

[julius]

Given that the main thing the Bucks are getting is the picks from us, whereas the Wolves are getting the best player, if we could re-jig it so we get Randle and they get Jerami, would that be good? Randle fills a roster gap (low-post scoring) and he's shown that he can commit to defense. I feel we should also give the Bucks Yang, just as frosting on the cake.

no.

If we aren't getting Giannis, there is no incentive to give back the picks.

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

WHY THE FUCK ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THIS POTENTIAL TRADE IN TWO DIFFERENT THREADS?
merge this shit!

 

[blazerkor]

WHY THE FUCK ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THIS POTENTIAL TRADE IN TWO DIFFERENT THREADS?
merge this shit!

Yeah this thread was already made regarding all trades. The other thread is about if we want Giannis or not, I think has it's purpose. I am someone who hates having too many threads.

 

[cheesehoff]

National writer's have had us on the short end of lopsided trades for many years. Some have been almost comical. It's lazy thinking and meant to ingratiate them with big market team's fan's.
One thing you have to give Cronin credit for is holding his ground and not caving to any pressure and accepting lesser trade packages. I hope that holds true in the future.
With that being said, I don't get the urgency of sacrificing the position we are in for a couple years of Giannis. For a long time fans were pissed about the situation the team was in. Now, with a very good young core, as well as a few veterans who can make big contributions, and a pretty good stash of future pics, people want to throw it all in on a couple years of contending...and that's not guaranteed. There's chemistry questions, age and health concerns, no coaching stability, new ownership on the way (which will be a positive), etc. Not the best situation to to try to make a splash move, that if unsuccessful, puts us back to square one after a couple decades of frustration finally put in the rearview mirror.

 

[BigGameDamian]

If something like this happens it’s because the NBA is such a players league and that the superstars control it.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

If something like this happens it’s because the NBA is such a players league and that the superstars control it.

I don't like it. We don't need to trade for another decent young guy. I mean, I like him but I don't like him more than Bridges and I wouldn't do that deal for Bridges either.

We need to make a trade for a star. Not another OK piece. All this does is make us younger while losing 3 potential lotto picks. Not worth the squeeze for me.

 

[BigGameDamian]

I don't like it. We don't need to trade for another decent young guy. I mean, I like him but I don't like him more than Bridges and I wouldn't do that deal for Bridges either.

We need to make a trade for a star. Not another OK piece. All this does is make us younger while losing 3 potential lotto picks. Not worth the squeeze for me.

 

[wizenheimer]

so, the Bazers

Ah, found it:
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That one is probably the most tempting one I've seen. McDaniels has been awesome this year. So much so that I really don't see the Wolves trading him. (But then I thought that about Washington and Deni, so...?)

Exciting Jaden McDaniels trend shows that he's just scratching the surface

Jaden McDaniels not only scores more, but also shoots better when Anthony Edwards is out of the lineup.

dunkingwithwolves.com

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WUT?

Portland gives up Jrue + the Buck's 2029 first + Portland's 2030 first + the 2030 swap with the Bucks....for....Jaden McDaniels? Essentially Jrue and 3 first's for McDaniels....between McDaniels, Camara, & Deni, who becomes a backup?

ROCO part 2, only worse...geeeezuzzz

 

[SharpesTriumph]

The warriors have all their picks so can legit make an offer for Giannis. But I'm not sure Giannis Draymond floor spacing would make sense. An offensive center like Sabonis makes way more sense with Giannis.

What about a big 4 way deal?

Warriors get Giannis and Sabonis
Bucks get Butler Vincent
Kings get Kuminga Kiebler Ayton
Lakers get Draymond

Lakers send out a pick and warriors send out a lot of picks. Probably need some more salary filler but this deal has advantages for all sides. Lakers have good offense but could use Draymond D.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Don't understand the people who just want one thread for all discussions.

I'd prefer different threads for specific subjects

One NBA league wide trade thread
One Blazers trade thread
One thread on Giannis trade

Threads are like small plants, should have a lot of them going and most of them eventually die

Once a thread has reached a few hundred posts it's ran it's course and it's better to have a new thread take it's place.

Otherwise why even have threads? Lock all threads and only leave the Melo thread open.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

so, the Bazers

WUT?

Portland gives up Jrue + the Buck's 2029 first + Portland's 2030 first + the 2030 swap with the Bucks....for....Jaden McDaniels? Essentially Jrue and 3 first's for McDaniels....between McDaniels, Camara, & Deni, who becomes a backup?

ROCO part 2, only worse...geeeezuzzz

I think you need to do a bit more research into McDaniels if you're comparing him with Old Man RoCo when we acquired him.

 

[Fitz303]

I think some Blazers fans are getting a little too drunk on these Bucks picks. Blazers fans are dragging Sam Vecenie on Twitter for his idea that Portland trades the Bucks pick and swaps back to the Bucks, along with Scoot, for VJ Edgecombe, while Giannis goes to Philly.

There is FARRR from a guarantee that these picks turn into 1 top 4 pick, let alone 3. The odds are probably greater that, with Milwaukee not having incentive to tank, they're going to get good/decent players back in the Giannis trade (if Portland holds onto the picks), and they push for the play-in/playoffs sooner than later. They'd have 2 years to get back to mediocrity in the Eastern Conference, and then Portland's treasure is now a collection of 3 picks between 8-14. That's fine, but ask yourself if Philly would trade VJ for 1 year of a Chicago Bulls pick and 2 years of swaps right now. Zero chance.

I hope Cronin makes the best move with those picks, but doesn't wait too long. If they think Giannis could be the answer, make the move and go all in. If not, and a guy like VJ Edgcombe, a 20 year old, 2-way player, athletic freak is available, you gotta at least take a long hard look at that. The only wildcard for me in this is Scoot. Maybe Cronin feels highly still about Scoot's potential, and I wouldn't be quick to throw him in, but he's 23 now, and VJ is already putting up better numbers than what Scoot put up last year, while also being a plus defender. He's a 20 year old, potential star, who was just taken 4th in a loaded draft just 7 months ago. Don't hold the chips too long.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I think some Blazers fans are getting a little too drunk on these Bucks picks. Blazers fans are dragging Sam Vecenie on Twitter for his idea that Portland trades the Bucks pick and swaps back to the Bucks, along with Scoot, for VJ Edgecombe, while Giannis goes to Philly.

There is FARRR from a guarantee that these picks turn into 1 top 4 pick, let alone 3. The odds are probably greater that, with Milwaukee not having incentive to tank, they're going to get good/decent players back in the Giannis trade (if Portland holds onto the picks), and they push for the play-in/playoffs sooner than later. They'd have 2 years to get back to mediocrity in the Eastern Conference, and then Portland's treasure is now a collection of 3 picks between 8-14. That's fine, but ask yourself if Philly would trade VJ for 1 year of a Chicago Bulls pick and 2 years of swaps right now. Zero chance.

I hope Cronin makes the best move with those picks, but doesn't wait too long. If they think Giannis could be the answer, make the move and go all in. If not, and a guy like VJ Edgcombe, a 20 year old, 2-way player, athletic freak is available, you gotta at least take a long hard look at that. The only wildcard for me in this is Scoot. Maybe Cronin feels highly still about Scoot's potential, and I wouldn't be quick to throw him in, but he's 23 now, and VJ is already putting up better numbers than what Scoot put up last year, while also being a plus defender. He's a 20 year old, potential star, who was just taken 4th in a loaded draft just 7 months ago. Don't hold the chips too long.

Exactly. It's kind of a Catch-22 - if we DO trade the picks to the Bucks, they will tank and make them good. If we don't, they'll target players in return for Giannis that will help them NOT tank. In other words, if we keep them, they probably won't be good. It's kind of the opposite of sour grapes.

 

[RR7]

Exactly. It's kind of a Catch-22 - if we DO trade the picks to the Bucks, they will tank and make them good. If we don't, they'll target players in return for Giannis that will help them NOT tank. In other words, if we keep them, they probably won't be good. It's kind of the opposite of sour grapes.

Yeah, I said before, the best value of those picks is in the Bucks' possession. They're looking at a top 10 pick this year, and whatever they get for Giannis potentially. And then no incentive to tank, if we have their picks. And Atlanta has their '27. Could be a top pick, but they won't aggressively tank like other teams. So it's likely a 8-12 spot jump in the draft. Still great, and I like the option. But their value, like a stock, is inching towards its peak, IMO

 

[Cugel]

POR needs a top pick this year. They just don’t have enough star talent

 

[wizenheimer]

I think you need to do a bit more research into McDaniels if you're comparing him with Old Man RoCo when we acquired him.

I'm comparing the trade(s), cost and return

but ok, let's compare, 6th year Covington vs 6th year McDaniels vs this year's Grant:

points/100-possessions: RoCo 18.9....McDaniels 21.9....Grant 30.6
FGA/100-possessions: RoCo 14.3....McDaniels 16.2....Grant 21.2
points/shot: RoCo 1.32....McDaniels 1.35....Grant 1.44
reb/100-possessions: RoCo 7.6....McDaniels 6.6....Grant 6.0
ast/100-possessions: RoCo 1.8....McDaniels 4.3....Grant 4.0

PER: RoCo 13.3....McDaniels 14.0....Grant 16.0
TS%: RoCo .580....McDaniels .614....Grant .593
FTr: RoCo .246....McDaniels .230...Grant .494
reb rate: RoCo 8.5%....McDaniels 7.6%....Grant 6.8%
assist rate: RoCo 5.2%....McDaniels 12.6%....Grant 13.0%
usage: RoCo 15.6%....McDaniels 18.1%....Grant 24.9%
winshare/48: RoCo .100...McDaniels .119....Grant .116
DBPM: RoCo 2.1....McDaniels 0.7....Grant -1.0
BPM: RoCo 1.6....McDaniels 0.0....Grant 0.6

DefRate vs Team: RoCo 4 points better....McDaniels 1.5 points worse....Grant 2.2 points worse

I'm not seeing nearly big enough margins for McDaniels to justify the price. He's a role player; he might be a high level role player but since he's in the middle of his best season there is the possibility of regression

the NBA average for PER is 15.0; McDaniels is below that (Grant above). The average winshare/48 is .100; McDaniels and Grant are only incrementally above that. Both RoCo and Grant had/have a better BPM than McDaniels. RoCo was the best rebounder and while Grant has been lambasted for his anemic rebounding, McDaniels is actually not much better. McDaniels has significantly improved his assist numbers this season, but they aren't better than Grant; and you have to wonder about regression

His 6 season track of 3pt conversion rate is .364-->.317-->.398-->.337-->.330-->.440. He entered the season with a career mark of 34.8% on three's and he's shooting 44.0%...?? That kind of seismic jump in conversion rate is rarely sustainable

so yeah, he's a role player; maybe a high-level role player but that's not really established yet. So that loops back around to the proposed price for RoCo vs the proposed price for McDaniels. For RoCo it was Trevor Ariza; for McDaniels it's Jrue Holiday. For RoCo it was a 16th pick + 23rd pick (and the consensus was this was a bad trade for Portland). For McDaniels we could actually be talking about giving up 3 lottery picks; yes...3 lottery picks. Advocating for Portland to pay that kind of price seems crazy to me.

put lottery protection on the Orlando 2028 pick and add the worst of the 2029 picks; and move Grant instead of Jrue and it starts looking more reasonable

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[1 Eye Jack]

Minnesota….

Getting back Jaden McDaniels would be very interesting

Maybe best case scenario

 

[Graduate32]

I like McDaniels, but yees

I'm comparing the trade(s), cost and return

but ok, let's compare, 6th year Covington vs 6th year McDaniels vs this year's Grant:

points/100-possessions: RoCo 18.9....McDaniels 21.9....Grant 30.6
FGA/100-possessions: RoCo 14.3....McDaniels 16.2....Grant 21.2
points/shot: RoCo 1.32....McDaniels 1.35....Grant 1.44
reb/100-possessions: RoCo 7.6....McDaniels 6.6....Grant 6.0
ast/100-possessions: RoCo 1.8....McDaniels 4.3....Grant 4.0

PER: RoCo 13.3....McDaniels 14.0....Grant 16.0
TS%: RoCo .580....McDaniels .614....Grant .593
FTr: RoCo .246....McDaniels .230...Grant .494
reb rate: RoCo 8.5%....McDaniels 7.6%....Grant 6.8%
assist rate: RoCo 5.2%....McDaniels 12.6%....Grant 13.0%
usage: RoCo 15.6%....McDaniels 18.1%....Grant 24.9%
winshare/48: RoCo .100...McDaniels .119....Grant .116
DBPM: RoCo 2.1....McDaniels 0.7....Grant -1.0
BPM: RoCo 1.6....McDaniels 0.0....Grant 0.6

DefRate vs Team: RoCo 4 points better....McDaniels 1.5 points worse....Grant 2.2 points worse

I'm not seeing nearly big enough margins for McDaniels to justify the price. He's a role player; he might be a high level role player but since he's in the middle of his best season there is the possibility of regression

the NBA average for PER is 15.0; McDaniels is below that (Grant above). The average winshare/48 is .100; McDaniels and Grant are only incrementally above that. Both RoCo and Grant had/have a better BPM than McDaniels. RoCo was the best rebounder and while Grant has been lambasted for his anemic rebounding, McDaniels is actually not much better. McDaniels has significantly improved his assist numbers this season, but they aren't better than Grant; and you have to wonder about regression

His 6 season track of 3pt conversion rate is .364-->.317-->.398-->.337-->.330-->.440. He entered the season with a career mark of 34.8% on three's and he's shooting 44.0%...?? That kind of seismic jump in conversion rate is rarely sustainable

so yeah, he's a role player; maybe a high-level role player but that's not really established yet. So that loops back around to the proposed price for RoCo vs the proposed price for McDaniels. For RoCo it was Trevor Ariza; for McDaniels it's Jrue Holiday. For RoCo it was a 16th pick + 23rd pick. For McDaniels we could actually be talking about giving up 3 lottery picks; yes...3 lottery picks. Advocating for Portland to pay that kind of price seems crazy to me.

put lottery protection on the Orlando 2028 pick and add the worst of the 2029 picks; and move Grant instead of Jrue and it starts looking more reasonable

Well researched. Again, I like McDaniels and could be talked into giving up a MIL asset for him, but in no way am I tossing in all three assets for a guy that I have a hard time imagining raising our ceiling.

 

[Graduate32]

Honestly, OKC feels like the perfect RWIII trade spot. If he's healthy, RWIII can give you impact minutes in big games. And if not, your roster situation is still good enough to survive. Plus, they are in a situation where they could liberally rest him throughout the year with minimal negative impact.

From the Blazers perspective, OKC might be the one spot in which you could perhaps grab a first in exchange (or RWIII and a second or two for a first). OKC has an entire bank of low-end firsts that might satisy the Blazers needs and optics. Not sure OKC would do it, but I'd like to hope that RWIII might still have enough juice, even in a contract year, to be worth a move from an early second to late first.

 

[Kell]

Man with some of these fake trade proposals it looks Neil Olshey found a new job as a Twitter aggregator….

 

[1 Eye Jack]

Maybe best case scenario

Yeah when I say best case scenario it doesn’t mean I’d give up 3 1st rounders for him. I just mean he’s a really good player who fits age and our system.

 

[RR7]

Agreed on not wanting to give up all 3 assets for McDaniel. I do like him, though. And feel like analyzing him AS IS makes an assumption that he just won't grow at all as a player which seems silly to me.

 

[andalusian]

Would you pay Milwaukee's picks back to get Bam?

Something like - Giannis and MT to the Heat, Bam and Rozier to Portland, Grant, RW3, Rupert, Jaquez, Jaquisions and the Milwaukee picks + whatever picks Miami has to the Bucks.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Would you pay Milwaukee's picks back to get Bam?

Something like - Giannis and MT to the Heat, Bam and Rozier to Portland, Grant, RW3, Rupert, Jaquez, Jaquisions and the Milwaukee picks + whatever picks Miami has to the Bucks.

Absolutely. Bam is the player I want to add. I mean I'd rather have Giannis, I think Bam is just a good fit.

 

[BigGameDamian]

Honestly, OKC feels like the perfect RWIII trade spot. If he's healthy, RWIII can give you impact minutes in big games. And if not, your roster situation is still good enough to survive. Plus, they are in a situation where they could liberally rest him throughout the year with minimal negative impact.

From the Blazers perspective, OKC might be the one spot in which you could perhaps grab a first in exchange (or RWIII and a second or two for a first). OKC has an entire bank of low-end firsts that might satisy the Blazers needs and optics. Not sure OKC would do it, but I'd like to hope that RWIII might still have enough juice, even in a contract year, to be worth a move from an early second to late first.

Would we be interested in Jaylin Williams?

 

[andalusian]

Would we be interested in Jaylin Williams?

OKC is not getting rid of him. They would get someone like RW3 as a big backup because Hartenstein might have problems coming back. They need these bigs against SAS and Denver.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I think some Blazers fans are getting a little too drunk on these Bucks picks. Blazers fans are dragging Sam Vecenie on Twitter for his idea that Portland trades the Bucks pick and swaps back to the Bucks, along with Scoot, for VJ Edgecombe, while Giannis goes to Philly.

There is FARRR from a guarantee that these picks turn into 1 top 4 pick, let alone 3. The odds are probably greater that, with Milwaukee not having incentive to tank, they're going to get good/decent players back in the Giannis trade (if Portland holds onto the picks), and they push for the play-in/playoffs sooner than later. They'd have 2 years to get back to mediocrity in the Eastern Conference, and then Portland's treasure is now a collection of 3 picks between 8-14. That's fine, but ask yourself if Philly would trade VJ for 1 year of a Chicago Bulls pick and 2 years of swaps right now. Zero chance.

I hope Cronin makes the best move with those picks, but doesn't wait too long. If they think Giannis could be the answer, make the move and go all in. If not, and a guy like VJ Edgcombe, a 20 year old, 2-way player, athletic freak is available, you gotta at least take a long hard look at that. The only wildcard for me in this is Scoot. Maybe Cronin feels highly still about Scoot's potential, and I wouldn't be quick to throw him in, but he's 23 now, and VJ is already putting up better numbers than what Scoot put up last year, while also being a plus defender. He's a 20 year old, potential star, who was just taken 4th in a loaded draft just 7 months ago. Don't hold the chips too long.

Yeah if Blazers can get VJ certainly look at it. I'll believe it when I see it - Morey is notoriously difficult GM to deal with and doesn't make moves unless his team clearly wins.

Also seems like Bucks would just keep VJ if thats possible.

Now I do think the Bucks picks are worth a ton though. I'm holding onto them unless we're getting a stud prospect like VJ or MVP level player like Giannis or such. I'm not sending them out for the Knicks or Wolves spare parts. Sure those picks might be worth little like you say but they might be worth a ton, who knows. To have a young core that starts to win like the Blazers appear to be on the verge of, along with having high lottery picks is almost unheard of. The Celtics and Thunder did that and won the last two titles.

Part of the reason the Bucks picks are so attractive is they really have no path to be even a middle of the road team soon. They have Giannis this season trying desperately to win and are in the lottery. They have 20 million of Dames dead salary on their cap until 2030. I'm not sure if any team in the league has a worse long term future right now.