We got the #3 pick. Discuss the possibilities.

[Phatguysrule]

But if you are trading #3 for vet help to go for it, it would only make sense you trade Sharpe for the same reason. Why trade one prospect for vet help, which won't be enough, and not trade the other for a full out go for it? That is my greatest fear. Portland will trade all young assets not ready right now to contribute to a championship for guys that have marginal value towards winning one. And after it doesn't work, you will have less than nothing in 3 years.

Get Scoot or Miller to add to Sharpe and build with youth and athletes. Get rid of all that don't fit the team game. They don't have to rebuild, but they do need to retool. Even if the retooling with youth doesn't win it all, it will be a much better game of basketball to watch.

Sharpe has proven he's ready to contribute. There is no reason to move him.

We wouldn't have to move Ant if he weren't duplication of Dame.

 

[lamlor]

Curry also plays just as well off the ball as he does on it, which Dame never really has.

This is the biggest truth and why I advocate for trading him at this point. Great talent, not easy to build around due to his need of always having the ball. It kills the break and it kills the half court offense. Always has and always will. Time for a change even if it means a step back in star power.

 

[Natebishop3]

This is the biggest truth and why I advocate for trading him at this point. Great talent, not easy to build around due to his need of always having the ball. It kills the break and it kills the half court offense. Always has and always will. Time for a change even if it means a step back in star power.

I was watching the Kings and they move the ball so much better than we do. I love Dame, but he's an iso point guard. He would have to change his game for us to really evolve.

 

[lamlor]

Sharpe has proven he's ready to contribute. There is no reason to move him.

We wouldn't have to move Ant if he weren't duplication of Dame.

Sharpe showed he could go to the next level without the likes of Lillard and and Ant on the floor. Playing the role of 3rd seat is much different and I don't know at his age and lack of experience that he is ready for that on a championship team. Add to the fact they want to add proven guys for a win-now season, who else on this roster will acquire that? Anyone who thinks Ant and/or Nurk will get back a difference maker is not seeing clearly. Grant sign-and-trade could bring back a Grant type player. Sharpe is the clear cut guy to improve immediate talent, but it will come at the cost of long term talent when he peaks for another team.

 

[lamlor]

I was watching the Kings and they move the ball so much better than we do. I love Dame, but he's an iso point guard. He would have to change his game for us to really evolve.

Exactly and I don't see that happening. He is a team guy to a certain point. He didn't take less to help nor did he have to. He won't give up the ball to win. It just isn't in his DNA. He could win a championship in the perfect setting, but for the life of me I don't see how Portland can build that. They don't have the salary, the assets, or the vision.

 

[twobullz]

Just saw a rumor about Lavine and Williams to Portland for #3. I think it would have to be Nurk, Ant #3 for Lavine and Williams. I know Lavine doesn't help the defense, but would be a decent 3 guard rotation with Dame, Lavine and Sharpe. Not sure if that is enough value for Ant Nurk and #3. Maybe next years pick returned to the blazers?

Not sure how reliable Clutch sports is?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nb...1&cvid=a001fb29bc074e2892ad6f61b595f491&ei=60

 

[wizenheimer]

Well sure but Raptors fans want Sharpe and #3 for Siakam. I'd hope there is no way we consider #3 in a KAT trade. Now if its #23 or a future protected pick, then fine.

I hate the idea of KAT. He's not moving any needle. He hasn't moved it in Minny and wouldn't move it in Portland

my thinking is, after looking at his contract(s), there's no way the Vulcans would approve any trade than brings in KAT

 

[wizenheimer]

Just saw a rumor about Lavine and Williams to Portland for #3. I think it would have to be Nurk, Ant #3 for Lavine and Williams. I know Lavine doesn't help the defense, but would be a decent 3 guard rotation with Dame, Lavine and Sharpe. Not sure if that is enough value for Ant Nurk and #3. Maybe next years pick returned to the blazers?

a real "rumor"? or just some guy speculating?

Ant+Nurk+3 for LaVine and Willams is a Bulls' fan wet dream

 

[SIeepwalker]

What has Kat ever accomplished in this league. I don't want him

 

[CJ_is_Gone]

Just saw a rumor about Lavine and Williams to Portland for #3. I think it would have to be Nurk, Ant #3 for Lavine and Williams. I know Lavine doesn't help the defense, but would be a decent 3 guard rotation with Dame, Lavine and Sharpe. Not sure if that is enough value for Ant Nurk and #3. Maybe next years pick returned to the blazers?

Are Lavine and Ant really that much different?
Lavine is much better, but they are essentially the same player.

This is an extremely easy no...

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

 

[Strenuus]

I just listened to a Wolves channel where their guys were talking about Ant + #3 + filler for KAT + Prince. So I think anything short of the #3 gets rejected by the Wolves. I'm not giving up #3 for KAT's contract. The best ability is availability.

He's not even worth Ant + filler. KAT sucks.

 

[Strenuus]

Here are my trades if we keep the pick and draft Scoot:

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Roster

PG Scoot
SG Sharpe
SF Giddey
PF Chet
C Simmons/Claxton

I know people don't want Simmons, but he only has a couple years left on his deal, while Nurk still has 3 years. If we can get Claxton and a pick to take on Simmons, I think it would be worth it. Maybe Simmons can turn things around. Maybe not.

Maybe my price is too steep for the Thunder, but I'd like to see how much we could get out of them.

If we keep Dame:

Simons/#3 and other future picks for Bridges.

Nas/Nurk/some 2nds for Draymond.

Dame
Sharpe
Bridges
Grant
Green

That's our best chance at winning with Dame.

Sorry that 2nd trade is absolute garbage. Simmons is one of the worst players in the entire league.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

Huh?
Per 100 possessions (to equalize for playing time & pace), Grant has secured 6.7, 6.2, and 6.1 rebounds per 100 (primarily as the PF). Bridges has secured 6.5, 5.9, and 6.0 per 100 primarily as the SF.
They are both poor rebounders.

Siakam is 9.8, 11.2, and 10.4
We need at least 1 of the forwards to be adequate on the boards. Maybe the target for the forwards ought to be Bridges & John Collins....

I think you misunderstood what I was saying. I was saying that since Siakam gets a lot more rebounds than Bridges, it would be better to pair Siakam with a weak rebounder like Grant.

 

[blazerfan11]

The Blazers need to avoid an epic disaster, and if Scoot is available , draft him.
If he turns out to be highly talented and add a couple extra dimensions to the Blazer offense (passing such as lobs that we rarely see, full-court pressure on the hoop) , they at least know what they're trading away if they decide to make a trade.
I think it's unlikely that Scoot will lose value, that his value will either be the same, or increase.
Also, he'll be under contract , so that amount would be included in a trade.

 

[wizenheimer]

The Blazers need to avoid an epic disaster, and if Scoot is available , draft him.
If he turns out to be highly talented and add a couple extra dimensions to the Blazer offense (passing such as lobs that we rarely see, full-court pressure on the hoop) , they at least know what they're trading away if they decide to make a trade.
I think it's unlikely that Scoot will lose value, that his value will either be the same, or increase.
Also, he'll be under contract , so that amount would be included in a trade.

disaster can take a lot of forms

like, for instance, trading away the best player in team history because of anticipating Scoot was the 2nd coming...only to find out he was the 2nd coming of Telfaire or Jerryd Bayless

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Just saw a rumor about Lavine and Williams to Portland for #3. I think it would have to be Nurk, Ant #3 for Lavine and Williams. I know Lavine doesn't help the defense, but would be a decent 3 guard rotation with Dame, Lavine and Sharpe. Not sure if that is enough value for Ant Nurk and #3. Maybe next years pick returned to the blazers?

Not sure how reliable Clutch sports is?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nb...1&cvid=a001fb29bc074e2892ad6f61b595f491&ei=60

Well I guess if you want to throw away the future to lose in the first round maybe you consider it.

No way that's a HCA or contending team.

 

[PCmor7]

Blazers fans are so against picking at 3 that we're willing to trade it for another Jeremi Grant-level player and actually talking about how we have to move more along with the pick to get them.

We're literally undervaluing our own asset and rationalizing why it's not worth more, and, thereby driving down what we could get for the pick.

That's awful business. You don't tell the public you're in trouble and you're going to get rid of the pick. It's like having a brand new sports car and putting it out there that it's going to be on sale so don't pay the premium price now.

At the very least, the Blazers and their fans should hype the pick and leave the possibility open that we'll use it if we don't get a deal worth that asset. The market determines the value, not what the pick is worth to the Blazers themselves. Let it.

Lavine and Williams aren't worth that pick, especially if we're actually giving up more to sweeten the pot. Anunoby is not worth that pick. Randle is not worth that pick.

You'd think we'd have learned from the trades at the end of the Olshey administration, but I guess we haven't.

 

[BBert]

"open and honest" is how I ended up with 2 ex-wives

So honesty IS the best policy.

 

[BBert]

Simons + Nurkic for KAT works on the trade checker. Might have to trade #23 pick as well. Then draft Brandon Miller.

Remind me again how ludicrously huge KAT's contract is? We can't build a contender spending half our cap on that underwhelming money pit.

 

[LayneStaley]

I think Orlando is gonna go after pick 3 hard if Scoot is there.

Suggs/Franz/#6

for

#3/Nas/Filler

 

[Natebishop3]

Just saw a rumor about Lavine and Williams to Portland for #3. I think it would have to be Nurk, Ant #3 for Lavine and Williams. I know Lavine doesn't help the defense, but would be a decent 3 guard rotation with Dame, Lavine and Sharpe. Not sure if that is enough value for Ant Nurk and #3. Maybe next years pick returned to the blazers?

Not sure how reliable Clutch sports is?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nb...1&cvid=a001fb29bc074e2892ad6f61b595f491&ei=60

I would be furious. Absolutely enraged.

 

[PCmor7]

I think Orlando is gonna go after pick 3 hard if Scoot is there.

Suggs/Franz/#6

for

#3/Nas/Filler

Very underwhelming.

If these are the kinds of trades we're desperate enough to talk ourselves into, we'd have been better off playing it out and trying to get into the play-in and then picking Walker or Hendricks.

 

[LayneStaley]

Very underwhelming.

If these are the kinds of trades we're desperate enough to talk ourselves into, we'd have been better off playing it out and trying to get into the play-in and then picking Walker or Hendricks.

I get it’s not sexy but Franz is a stud, I’d take him over KAT any day and adding a Thompson twin at 6 wouldn’t be bad either. People are gonna be mighty disappointed when sell low Joe deals that pick.

 

[BankTeller]

I think Orlando is gonna go after pick 3 hard if Scoot is there.

Suggs/Franz/#6

for

#3/Nas/Filler

People are already against drafting Scoot because we have Dame. Suggs doesn’t get rid of that problem. I would take Franz/#6/#11 for #3/Nas. Try to draft Ausar at #6, then BPA at #11, use #11 and #23 to trade up for a Schmitz approved guy.

But we’re in agreement, Franz is a stud.

 

[blazerfan11]

Very underwhelming.

If these are the kinds of trades we're desperate enough to talk ourselves into, we'd have been better off playing it out and trying to get into the play-in and then picking Walker or Hendricks.

What are you expecting to get back if the Blazers send out only the #3 and no picks (or Simons)?

The Blazers don’t need to send Nas out either. Just use the trade exception.

Blazers get: Franz Wagner, #6 pick 2023 draft______ Blazers send out: #3 pick.

What’s a better return for the #3 pick alone?

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Blazers get: Franz Wagner, #6 pick 2023 draft______ Blazers send out: #3 pick.

What’s a better return for the #3 pick alone?

I'd say Scoot or Miller are a better return.

 

[TBpup]

I think Orlando is gonna go after pick 3 hard if Scoot is there.

Suggs/Franz/#6

for

#3/Nas/Filler

IF.....we got Franz and could get Hendricks at #6, that might be interesting. It is a lot of length, Franz can score, Hendricks can shoot and play defense. Neither is as good as what we would get at #3, but together, they add a lot of what Portland needs. We keep the scoring in the backcourt and still have Ant to trade if needed. Since we are more than 1 player away, this isn't blowing Kenny Vance's skirt up, but it addresses a lot of needs.

 

[illmatic99]

I think Orlando is gonna go after pick 3 hard if Scoot is there.

Suggs/Franz/#6

for

#3/Nas/Filler

Sub WCJ for Suggs and I might consider it. We'd need to send more money back

 

[blazerfan11]

I'd say Scoot or Miller are a better return.

Me too. It was just hypothetical.