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If we trade Damian, will grant definitely walk?
 
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Ed O said:
The thing is that even if you DON'T miss on that trade, the team might not be good enough to be relevant, and you've lost a cheap young player with a lot of potential.

I still don't think Siakam is anywhere good enough to make us a HCA-level team, let alone a title contender.

Giving up a decade-younger dude and effective players in order to placate your aging star and hoping to get HCA... it's just dumb.
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Yeah, I’m afraid I agree with this. It would be nice to get Lillard a title in Portland, but I don’t see it happening. Cronin, for one thing, doesn’t inspire a lot of confidence as a GM. And if you take a big swing and miss by trading a bunch of young assets for a veteran or two, then you’ve really screwed yourself. On the other hand, with a bunch of young talented players you’re going to have many chances to win a title. I think it’s time to say goodbye to Lillard.
 
illmatic99 said:
great point.

these are the past #3 overall picks in the past 10 yrs yrs:
- Jabari Smith
- Evan Mobley
- LaMelo Ball
- RJ Barrett
- Luka Doncic
- Jayson Tatum
- Jaylen Brown
- Jahlil Okafor
- Joel Embiid
- Otto Porter Jr.

4 out of 10 are All NBA players this year.
3 out of 10 were All NBA first team.
1 out of 10 has been named MVP.
5 out of 10 are have been named all stars in their careers.
4 appearances on all NBA defensive teams.
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impressive list.
 
Kell said:
Am I nuts for wanting the 3rd pick to stay in Portland? How often does PDX get this lucky?

Seeing you all suggest Siakam for Ant plus #3 feels like a huge over pay on the part of the Blazers.

To me you keep it and take the player and then use the other parts in play and see what you
can do?

Sure Dame wants some solid veteran additions to try and be competitive and I get that and would like it to happen but don’t think moving the highest draft pick since you won the lottery 16 years ago is the smart play unless it’s for a sure fire all star on a non expiring deal.
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I agree with you. I do want to point out though that the only way we get a sure-fire all-star (like Siakam) is if he is on an expiring deal. But to your point, we would need some assurances first. Either way, it is risky.
 
KingSpeed said:
I think he means in a lineup WITH DAME, Sharpr & Simons play the same position. But Simons can play point if we trade Dame. We saw that in 2021-22.
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Uh, no. He literally said “they’re both 2s more than 1 or 3”.

Did you not catch that part of the presser or what?
 
Rastapopoulos said:
An all-star level player should be obtainable by USING the #3 pick
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I believe, historically, the #3 pick produces an all-star level player about 50% of the time. If Cronin can get a player who is already playing at an all-star level for that pick, then it's a home run statistically speaking.

A 50/50 chance at a guy who will be an all-star at the end of his 2nd contract, when he may or may not be a Blazer, is less appealing to me given the current situation.
 
STOMP said:
So in your mind, college experience doesn't matter? You think that guys magically get better sitting on the bench? I heard Steve Kerr today lamenting the lack of development of young players because during the season teams average 1-2 practices a week. Young guys who don't play much basically rot on the bench in the NBA because of a lack of opportunity & coaching. We It wasn't until Ant's 4th year in the league where he got decent game minutes, where as CJ never averaged less then 30 in college... plus he was coached regularly in many more practices. There is no question which guy was more prepared for NBA game play in their 23rd year, so you're right... not even remotely close to apples to apples.

STOMP
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What the hell?

Does college experience matter? Sure. Not that much though. (Look at Shaedon Sharpe).

But playing nearly 180 more NBA games (and im not talking a minute or two) matters a whole lot more than college experience.

If college experience was THAT amazing, Zach Edey and Drew Timme would be at the top of draft boards.

College is practically a completely different game.


Regarding the bold: In his second year he played in 70 games and averaged 20 minutes a game. So I don’t know what the hell you’re smoking but it must be strong.
 
To top it off, CJ had 476 NBA minutes played.

Anfernee had 4,375 NBA minutes played.

If you add the 4 years of Lehigh (3657) to CJs NBA minutes, that’s 4133 minutes, still not as many minutes played as Anf had NBA minutes.

So, yeah, Anfernee was undoubtedly way more prepared for the NBA game in his age 23 season, given he played roughly 10x amount of NBA minutes as CJ had until that point.
 
Tince said:
I believe, historically, the #3 pick produces an all-star level player about 50% of the time. If Cronin can get a player who is already playing at an all-star level for that pick, then it's a home run statistically speaking.

A 50/50 chance at a guy who will be an all-star at the end of his 2nd contract, when he may or may not be a Blazer, is less appealing to me given the current situation.
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Agreed. Time to whip out the big numbers -

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The number 3 pick historically has resulted in a starter (defined as started over half of their career games) 85.7% of the time. It has resulted in an all-star 57.1% of the time.

I'm not giving this pick up easily. But if the Blazers can net an all-star in the trade, you gotta make that happen.
 

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Man, the 8th position arguably is the worst pick to get.
 
Tince said:
I believe, historically, the #3 pick produces an all-star level player about 50% of the time. If Cronin can get a player who is already playing at an all-star level for that pick, then it's a home run statistically speaking.

A 50/50 chance at a guy who will be an all-star at the end of his 2nd contract, when he may or may not be a Blazer, is less appealing to me given the current situation.
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Give an example trade in which the Blazers get an All Star in return.
 
mook said:
Eh, I don't understand why. Ant is probably the best three point shooter in the entire league 23 and under. He has decent size and great athleticism for a Point Guard.

He'll be good enough to be a championship calibre pg in a couple years. Not Dame level, but probably Terry Porter.
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geeeezuzz...it's like I'm stuck in a CJ flashback loop

I don't think Ant will ever be as good as Porter. Terry could play damn good defense, and was actually an excellent PG. Ant can't play defense, he's not a PG, (even for a lottery team let alone a championship team), will be 24 in two weeks, and was 71st in the league this year in 3ptFG%

I also think it's a major exaggeration calling him the best 'young' 3ptFG shooter. These guys were better, and their ages:

Tyrese Maxey 22 (.434)
Corey Kispert 23 (.424)
Patrick Williams 21 (.415)
Michael Porter Jr. 24 (.414)
Keegan Murray 22 (.411)
Darius Garland 23 (.410)
Isaiah Joe 23 (.409)
Desmond Bane 24 (.408)
Jordan Nwora 24 (.408)
Trey Murphy III 22 (.406)
Kevin Huerter 24 (.402)
Tyrese Haliburton 22 (.400)
Jaden McDaniels 22 (.398)
Austin Reaves 24 (.398)
Grant Williams 24 (.395)
Lauri Markkanen 25 (.391)
AJ Griffin 19 (.390)
De'Anthony Melton 24 (.390)
Devin Vassell 22 (.387)
Quentin Grimes 22 (.386)
Troy Brown Jr. 23 (.381)
Tyler Herro 23 (.378)
Anfernee Simons 23 (.377)
LaMelo Ball 21 (.376)
 
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Agreed. Time to whip out the big numbers -

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The number 3 pick historically has resulted in a starter (defined as started over half of their career games) 85.7% of the time. It has resulted in an all-star 57.1% of the time.

I'm not giving this pick up easily. But if the Blazers can net an all-star in the trade, you gotta make that happen.
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I get it. But as long as we are talking a legit all star, and not a Jamal Magloire all star
 
Just give Cha a couple second rounders to switch picks with us and draft Miller at 3 and Lively at 23

Dame/Mays
Sharpe/Ant
Miller/Thybulle
Grant/Watford
Nurk/Lively

I’d try to package Ant/Nurk for something better but that roster is more balanced. Miller and Sharpe could both be all-stars eventually.
 
I'm hearing that we draft 3rd in a 3-person draft. Seems like options are limited if we keep the pick.
 
Wheels said:
I get it. But as long as we are talking a legit all star, and not a Jamal Magloire all star
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Magloire made one all star game by the time he was 28 and Siakam has made two... is that a big enough difference? :)
 
Honestly Amen looks pretty amazing.

Will he be better than Brandon Miller?

Can we use the pick and then trade Ant and future picks to appease Dame?
 
Tince said:
I believe, historically, the #3 pick produces an all-star level player about 50% of the time. If Cronin can get a player who is already playing at an all-star level for that pick, then it's a home run statistically speaking.

A 50/50 chance at a guy who will be an all-star at the end of his 2nd contract, when he may or may not be a Blazer, is less appealing to me given the current situation.
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Player currently at an all-star level is on a max contract though.

So draft the player even 50/50 you have a chance at an all-star plus huge salary space for another starter. Much higher ceiling for the team with that option. When the Blazers are a long way from contending they need to elevate their ceiling.

If they were already a contender or borderline contender maybe you take the option with less risk and a higher floor. That's not where the Blazers are at.
 
AmirIcon said:
Honestly Amen looks pretty amazing.

Will he be better than Brandon Miller?

Can we use the pick and then trade Ant and future picks to appease Dame?
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"Amen was a 20 year old playing against 17 year olds..." I read that quote somewhere and it has stuck with me.

Scoot Henderson is a year younger, playing against grown men in the G league for the last two years, compared to Amen who was playing against a league for 16 to 20 year olds, compared to Brandon Milller who was three months older than Thompson playing at the highest level of college basketball.

It's hard to compare apples-to-apples, but Henderson's age/competition level is most impressive to me.

Also, an odd stat: he shot the exact same percentage (.324) from 3's as Siakam did this year. Not very good for either of them, of course, but kinda interesting.

Finally: I look forward to seeing his measurements. He's been listed between 6'2" and 6'4" at different sites I've been poking around on.
 
Ed O said:
"Amen was a 20 year old playing against 17 year olds..." I read that quote somewhere and it has stuck with me.

Scoot Henderson is a year younger, playing against grown men in the G league for the last two years, compared to Amen who was playing against a league for 16 to 20 year olds, compared to Brandon Milller who was three months older than Thompson playing at the highest level of college basketball.

It's hard to compare apples-to-apples, but Henderson's age/competition level is most impressive to me.

Also, an odd stat: he shot the exact same percentage (.324) from 3's as Siakam did this year. Not very good for either of them, of course, but kinda interesting.

Finally: I look forward to seeing his measurements. He's been listed between 6'2" and 6'4" at different sites I've been poking around on.
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He probably not doing the measurements but everywhere I have seen said that he 6 foot 2 with a massive 6 foot 9 wingspan
 
KingSpeed said:
I think he means in a lineup WITH DAME, Sharpr & Simons play the same position. But Simons can play point if we trade Dame. We saw that in 2021-22.
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Ant CAN play point. So can Nurk...

That doesn't mean either of them can play point WELL.
 
Ed O said:
Magloire made one all star game by the time he was 28 and Siakam has made two... is that a big enough difference? :)
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Only if their all nba teams are similar as well :P
 
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