We got the #3 pick. Discuss the possibilities.

[Pinwheel1]

Agreed. Siakim is like Jerami Grant to me. Puts up inflated #'s as the #1 option but isn't a real #1 option.

Is he a good 2nd? Maybe. but probably better suited as a 3rd. But a 2nd or 3rd isn't really someone you trade a young prospect (Simons)+ the 3rd pick in the draft for.

I don't think Siakam and Grant are on the same level. Siakam is way better at creating his own shot. He also plays more physically. Siakam is a two-time all-NBA player. Grant is suited as a 3rd or 4th option. Siakam I would say is a strong #2 option.

 

[illmatic99]

Agreed. Siakim is like Jerami Grant to me. Puts up inflated #'s as the #1 option but isn't a real #1 option.

Is he a good 2nd? Maybe. but probably better suited as a 3rd. But a 2nd or 3rd isn't really someone you trade a young prospect (Simons)+ the 3rd pick in the draft for.

He's a few levels above Grant. A definitive all star who can make All NBA teams in the right year. A much better playmaker and rebounder than Grant too.

 

[1 Eye Jack]

Agreed. Siakim is like Jerami Grant to me. Puts up inflated #'s as the #1 option but isn't a real #1 option.

Is he a good 2nd? Maybe. but probably better suited as a 3rd. But a 2nd or 3rd isn't really someone you trade a young prospect (Simons)+ the 3rd pick in the draft for.

he looked like a good 2nd option when they won championship. We also need to start thinking how much is he going to improve our defense? Between Sharpe, Dame, Grant and Siakam we’d we have plenty of offensive power. Grant and Siakam would give us some much needed size and length allowing us to to switch on defense and supply backside help. If you could some how upgrade center position with more defense then you’ve got a heck of a team.


Again I’m not saying do it but silly we don’t want to even consider trading for a proven all star. The 3rd pick is not a guarantee to be some superstar where as Siakam is guaranteed to be a star.

btw i think scoot will be a star, Miller i have some big concerns especially if rumors true about him coming in to the biggest moment in his life over weight

 

[Cugel]

Siakim is on an expiring right? That is assuming a big risk, too big. You give up Scoot for a guy that bolts next summer? I know Joe has to take risks though..

 

[illmatic99]

The players I put #3 in play for: (and keep in mind we would have to include Simons and/or Nurk to complete the trade).

- Brown - no brainer. All nba caliber wing and undervalued because of playoff flameout and contract situation
- Siakam - he's only 29 and made an all nba team last year
- Paul George
- Embiid
- Ingram? Would he be available??

Tier below:
- Bridges - we saw his contribution on a contender. He's a super duper role player that any team would love to have. But we need a definitive #2. I would consider it he comes with Claxton

- KAT - can we get McDaniels too?

Tier below:
- Ayton - bleh
- OG

 

[Natebishop3]

The players I put #3 in play for: (and keep in mind we would have to include Simons and/or Nurk to complete the trade).

- Brown - no brainer. All nba caliber wing and undervalued because of playoff flameout and contract situation
- Siakam - he's only 29 and made an all nba team last year
- Paul George
- Embiid
- Ingram? Would he be available??

Tier below:
- Bridges - we saw his contribution on a contender. He's a super duper role player that any team would love to have. But we need a definitive #2. I would consider it he comes with Claxton

- KAT - can we get McDaniels too?

Tier below:
- Ayton - bleh
- OG

I agree with this list, with maybe the exception of Paul George. I have wanted him on this team for a very long time, but the dude can't stay healthy.

Look at his games played last four years. No way this dude is worth the #3.

 

[julius]

he looked like a good 2nd option when they won championship. We also need to start thinking how much is he going to improve our defense? Between Sharpe, Dame, Grant and Siakam we’d we have plenty of offensive power. Grant and Siakam would give us some much needed size and length allowing us to to switch on defense and supply backside help. If you could some how upgrade center position with more defense then you’ve got a heck of a team.


Again I’m not saying do it but silly we don’t want to even consider trading for a proven all star. The 3rd pick is not a guarantee to be some superstar where as Siakam is guaranteed to be a star.

btw i think scoot will be a star, Miller i have some big concerns especially if rumors true about him coming in to the biggest moment in his life over weight

was a real "2nd" option on that Raptors team? Weren't there a couple players averaging around 14-16 ppg for them?

 

[Pinwheel1]

I hate that we won't know who Kupchak is picking until he actually does. Trading partners have different needs and 5 minutes between picks is not much even if Joe is prepared and has a couple of options on the table before the draft starts.

 

[illmatic99]

I hate that we won't know who Kupchak is picking until he actually does. Trading partners have different needs and 5 minutes between picks is not much even if Joe is prepared and has a couple of options on the table before the draft starts.

I think he revealed it by accident. He's taking Miller

 

[illmatic99]

I agree with this list, with maybe the exception of Paul George. I have wanted him on this team for a very long time, but the dude can't stay healthy.

Look at his games played last four years. No way this dude is worth the #3.

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Ya maybe. He's also been on team load manage the past few seasons, so not sure that metric is representative of his health.

 

[Pinwheel1]

I think he revealed it by accident. He's taking Miller

I think I know the interview you are referring to but he seemed open to both. Maybe he helps us out and gives us a heads-up that morning.

 

[Natebishop3]

Ya maybe. He's also been on team load manage the past few seasons, so not sure that metric is representative of his health.

I think MM said it, but we really need a power forward. Our rebounding was HORRIBLE last year. Grant doesn't play like a power forward.

I wish Siakam wasn't making so much damn money.

How much cap space do we have? I'm wondering if we can absorb some salary in a lopsided trade.

 

[illmatic99]

I think MM said it, but we really need a power forward. Our rebounding was HORRIBLE last year. Grant doesn't play like a power forward.

I wish Siakam wasn't making so much damn money.

How much cap space do we have? I'm wondering if we can absorb some salary in a lopsided trade.

Simons + Nas make 31 mil. That's more than enough to absorb his contract.

 

[Natebishop3]

Simons + Nas make 31 mil. That's more than enough to absorb his contract.

Yeah, I'm just wondering if we can grab Siakam without giving up the #3 and then flip the #3 for something else. The team needs more than just Siakam. I'd really like to get a different center. So tired of Nurk. I really don't want to give up Sharpe, but I'm also wondering if the right combination of moves would be worth giving him up.

Nas/Keon/#3 to Orlando for #6 and #11 and WCJ. (4 million gap)

Nurk/Sharpe/#11 to Toronto for Siakam. (14 million gap between Nurk/Sharpe and Siakam)

Ant/#6/future picks for Brown. (7 million gap between Simons and Brown)

So we'd need 25 million in cap space. Can we get there if we renounce cap holds?

 

[Pinwheel1]

I wonder how Boston feels about Trae Young. If they like him then Brown to Atlanta seems like a no-brainer because Brown has already indicated he would like to go home. But do they like Trae?

 

[HansenYang]

The players I put #3 in play for: (and keep in mind we would have to include Simons and/or Nurk to complete the trade).

- Brown - no brainer. All nba caliber wing and undervalued because of playoff flameout and contract situation
- Siakam - he's only 29 and made an all nba team last year
- Paul George
- Embiid
- Ingram? Would he be available??

Tier below:
- Bridges - we saw his contribution on a contender. He's a super duper role player that any team would love to have. But we need a definitive #2. I would consider it he comes with Claxton

- KAT - can we get McDaniels too?

Tier below:
- Ayton - bleh
- OG

I just don't see it with Brown. He has moments of excellent play, but he's frequently a non-factor.

For the last 3 years - tell me who is who:

ORtg-DRtg differential:
-0.33
+12.3
+2.3
-2.3

TS%:
0.580
0.627
0.559
0.573

3P%
0.363
0.392
0.322
0.366

WS/48:
0.113
0.145
0.131
0.109

BPM:
2.0
2.2
2.4
2.0

VORP:
2.17
2.83
2.83
1.87

 

[Phatguysrule]

Siakim is on an expiring right? That is assuming a big risk, too big. You give up Scoot for a guy that bolts next summer? I know Joe has to take risks though..

There is no path that leads us to a championship without taking big risks.

And, IMO, Scoot is far less likely to lead us to a championship than Dame and Siakam.

 

[HansenYang]

For the last 3 years - tell me who is who:

ORtg-DRtg differential:
+12.3

TS%:
0.627

3P%
0.392

WS/48:
0.145

BPM:
2.2

VORP:
2.83

Then answers are:
Brown - 26 -> $31M expiring contract
Bridges - 26 -> $22M contract with 3 years left
Siakam - 29 -> $37M expiring contract
Ingram - 25 -> $34M contract with 2 years left

In every category I listed (except BPM), Bridges had the best performance... in some situations significantly better. He also has by far the best contract.

I know some will dismiss all these stats saying the 'eye test' is what matters most. For me, he is best in class there too. He does SO many under-appreciated things during the course of a game (like Josh Hart did). However, Bridges is significantly better than Hart.

 

[KingSpeed]

This made me sad

"Why on earth did they trade josh hart?!? He’s the perfect 3 and d “Danny green type” to compliment lillard.

Lillard - hart - grant - nurkic — you could argue that team is a pascal trade away from contending."

You have to be a good 3 point shooter to be a 3 & D player.

 

[MadeFromDust]

Sorry if this has been posted

https://www.blazersedge.com/2023/5/...oston-celtics-miami-heat-brown-lillard-simons

 

[KingSpeed]

Nurk has averaged 50 games a year over the last 3 years (includes playoffs). How is he ever going to make it to the championship round??

To be fair, the 2020-21 was shortened and the last two seasons, we rested Nurk at end of season to tank.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Then answers are:
Brown - 26 -> $31M expiring contract
Bridges - 26 -> $22M contract with 3 years left
Siakam - 29 -> $37M expiring contract
Ingram - 25 -> $34M contract with 2 years left

In every category I listed (except BPM), Bridges had the best performance... in some situations significantly better. He also has by far the best contract.

I know some will dismiss all these stats saying the 'eye test' is what matters most. For me, he is best in class there too. He does SO many under-appreciated things during the course of a game (like Josh Hart did). However, Bridges is significantly better than Hart.

He does have the best contract for sure. But because of it, I don't think Brooklyn really wants to trade him. He is from Philly (100 miles away) and he seems happy there as well. They would have to love Scoot more and Scoot would have to drop to us.

 

[Phatguysrule]

This made me sad

"Why on earth did they trade josh hart?!? He’s the perfect 3 and d “Danny green type” to compliment lillard.

Lillard - hart - grant - nurkic — you could argue that team is a pascal trade away from contending."

We would have kept Hart if he were willing to stay. No doubt about it.

 

[wizenheimer]

Then answers are:
Brown - 26 -> $31M expiring contract
Bridges - 26 -> $22M contract with 3 years left
Siakam - 29 -> $37M expiring contract
Ingram - 25 -> $34M contract with 2 years left

In every category I listed (except BPM), Bridges had the best performance... in some situations significantly better. He also has by far the best contract.

I know some will dismiss all these stats saying the 'eye test' is what matters most. For me, he is best in class there too. He does SO many under-appreciated things during the course of a game (like Josh Hart did). However, Bridges is significantly better than Hart.

Bridges does have a big hole in his game and that's rebounding. Dame had a higher rebounding rate this season and their career marks for rebounding rate are very similar. And, Bridges has a career assist rate 10.1%. It was a little higher this season, but it's still really low for a 2nd-3rd option

and so that dovetails into who would be best being paired with the weak-rebounding/poor-assisting Grant. That would be Siakam. He's the best rebounder of the group and at the same level as Ingram as a passer

I haven't thought about Ingram because I've read no rumors about the Pels tearing things down

 

[BBert]

This made me sad

"Why on earth did they trade josh hart?!? He’s the perfect 3 and d “Danny green type” to compliment lillard.

Lillard - hart - grant - nurkic — you could argue that team is a pascal trade away from contending."

The theory is they traded Hart because he didn't want to stay in Portland and he wasn't going to sign here. At least that's the theory I've read on this board a hundred times. Also, if we'd kept Josh, we wouldn't be holding the #3pick right now.

 

[illmatic99]

But we saw Bridges in Phoenix for years. He does a lot of intangibles and makes winning plays with low usage, but that only really matters when you have other definitive key cogs in the offense. We need a guy who can draw attention away from Dame and run offense through in the playoffs.

Not sure Bridges has that. He's the final piece to a championship puzzle. We need a guy who will first help us get to the playoffs and win a few rounds.

For that reason, I put Jaylen and Siakam ahead of him.

 

[wizenheimer]

But we saw Bridges in Phoenix for years. He does a lot of intangibles and makes winning plays with low usage, but that only really matters when you have other definitive key cogs in the offense. We need a guy who can draw attention away from Dame and run offense through in the playoffs.

Not sure Bridges has that. He's the final piece to a championship puzzle. We need a guy who will first help us get to the playoffs and win a few rounds.

For that reason, I put Jaylen and Siakam ahead of him.

I agree, and however you rate Grant, you have to gauge the prospective addition being paired with the weak-rebounding/poor-assisting Grant. That definitely puts Siakam and Brown on the top of the list. Then it just depends of price. Dealing with Masai Ujiri might be like negotiating with Ainge on steroids, and it sure sounds like he's been asking for 3 times as much as any Raptor player is worth

 

[illmatic99]

I agree, and however you rate Grant, you have to gauge the prospective addition being paired with the weak-rebounding/poor-assisting Grant. That definitely puts Siakam and Brown on the top of the list. Then it just depends of price. Dealing with Masai Ujiri might be like negotiating with Ainge on steroids, and it sure sounds like he's been asking for 3 times as much as any Raptor player is worth

I dunno how much leverage he has after this mediocre season and both Siakam and OG due for free agency next.

 

[BBert]

The players I put #3 in play for: (and keep in mind we would have to include Simons and/or Nurk to complete the trade).

- Brown - no brainer. All nba caliber wing and undervalued because of playoff flameout and contract situation
- Siakam - he's only 29 and made an all nba team last year
- Paul George
- Embiid
- Ingram? Would he be available??

Tier below:
- Bridges - we saw his contribution on a contender. He's a super duper role player that any team would love to have. But we need a definitive #2. I would consider it he comes with Claxton

- KAT - can we get McDaniels too?

Tier below:
- Ayton - bleh
- OG

Good list. Except:
Paul George -- No. Always injured.
KAT -- No. Huge contract and he's soft.

 

[BBert]

I hate that we won't know who Kupchak is picking until he actually does. Trading partners have different needs and 5 minutes between picks is not much even if Joe is prepared and has a couple of options on the table before the draft starts.

The Blazers might know who they are going to pick ahead of time.