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Keep on seeing rumors of Indy wanting a SF upgrade and their interest in Miller.

What do we want from them besides 7 to get them to 3?
 
illmatic99 said:
Keep on seeing rumors of Indy wanting a SF upgrade and their interest in Miller.

What do we want from them besides 7 to get them to 3?
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I always liked Durate but he is not big enough for our needs.
 
illmatic99 said:
Keep on seeing rumors of Indy wanting a SF upgrade and their interest in Miller.

What do we want from them besides 7 to get them to 3?
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To me, 3 to 7 is a pretty huge drop in this draft, so it would have to be a significant asset to warrant it. I know Mathurin would be an unreasonable ask, but that's where I'd start. After that, I could maybe see Duarte, 7, 26, and their 2024 #1.
 
How about this?

To IND:
#3
Nurk


To POR:
#29
Turner
Siakam

To TOR:
#7, #26
Simons
Little
Keon

Dame
Sharpe
Grant
Siakam
Turner

I dont think theres a big difference between Turner and Nurk but I know we've been linked to Myles in the past. And his contract for the next two years is fairly reasonable.
 
illmatic99 said:
How about this?

To IND:
#3
Nurk


To POR:
Turner
Siakam

To TOR:
#7, #26
Simons
Little
Keon

Dame
Sharpe
Grant
Siakam
Turner

I dont think theres a big difference between Turner and Nurk but I know we've been linked to Myles in the past. And his contract for the next two years is fairly reasonable.
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Seems fair for all teams. I like it. Assuming Siakam agrees to resign
 
illmatic99 said:
How about this?

To IND:
#3
Nurk


To POR:
#29
Turner
Siakam

To TOR:
#7, #26
Simons
Little
Keon

Dame
Sharpe
Grant
Siakam
Turner

I dont think theres a big difference between Turner and Nurk but I know we've been linked to Myles in the past. And his contract for the next two years is fairly reasonable.
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A Nurk/Turner swap was the other thing I had thought about.
 
illmatic99 said:
How about this?

To IND:
#3
Nurk


To POR:
#29
Turner
Siakam

To TOR:
#7, #26
Simons
Little
Keon

Dame
Sharpe
Grant
Siakam
Turner

I dont think theres a big difference between Turner and Nurk but I know we've been linked to Myles in the past. And his contract for the next two years is fairly reasonable.
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Given what we've heard publicly, I am not sure Indy or Toronto would do that (though it seems fair enough to me). I, like you, think the "Turner is a major upgrade over Nurk" is far exaggerated and speaks to the power in the "idea of Turner" rather than his actual impact on winning basketball. Would I take Turner over Nurk in a vacuum? I suppose so, but I genuinely still believe that a healthy and motivated Nurk offers more positive impact than Turner. That said, we've being seeing that version of Nurk less and less frequently.

Regardless, I would need the significant incentive (much like you've suggested here), to entertain any Nurk+#3 for Turner+#7 framework.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I don't think it's fair to call him that.

The guy plays remarkably well off the ball.

Here are some key stats:

Scoot
2FGM %AST - 35.6%
2FGM %UAST - 64.4%
3FGM %AST - 42.9%
3FGM %UAST - 57.1
FGM %AST - 36.5%
FGM %UAST - 63.5%

Dame
2FGM %AST - 15.7%
2FGM %UAST - 84.3%
3FGM %AST - 51.6%
3FGM %UAST - 48.4%
FGM %AST - 31.5%
FGM %UAST - 68.5%

In terms of 2 pointers vs 3 pointers

Scoot
%FGA 2pt - 81%
%FGA 3pg - 19%
%PTS 2PT - 64.3%
%PTS 2PT MR - 19.7% (mid range points)
%PTS 3PT - 13.4%
%PTS FBPS - 14.3% (fast break points)

Dame
%FGA 2pt - 45.3%
%FGA 3pg - 54.7%
%PTS 2PT - 33.4%
%PTS 2PT MR - 6% (mid range points)
%PTS 3PT - 39.2%
%PTS FBPS - 8.6% (fast break points)

So 81% of Scoots shots are from 2 pt range, and he is assisted on 35.6% of those shots.
Dame only attempts 45.3% of his shots from 2 pt range and is assisted on 15.7% of those shots.

Dame, to me, is the very definition of a ball dominant guard. I don't think Scoot is, and I think he would play VERY well with Sharpe.
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Unless I'm reading these numbers wrong...

It still all equates to:

%FGMUnassisted: 68.5% Dame
%FGMUnassisted: 63.5% Scoot

Seems like they're both pretty ball dominant when it comes to scoring, no?
 
Predator said:
Unless I'm reading these numbers wrong...

It still all equates to:

%FGMUnassisted: 68.5% Dame
%FGMUnassisted: 63.5% Scoot

Seems like they're both pretty ball dominant when it comes to scoring, no?
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The key numbers are percentage of assisted 2 pointers. It’s easy to have assisted three pointers because of catch and shoot situations.

81% of Scoots attempts are 2 pointers compared to only 45% for Dame. But the key is that Scoot is assisted on 35% of those attempts while Dame is only assisted on 15%. This means that Scoot moves without the ball because how are you going to be assisted on 35% of your 2 pointers if you’re standing around? It’s not like posting up on the three point line and waiting for the ball.
 
illmatic99 said:
How about this?

To IND:
#3
Nurk


To POR:
#29
Turner
Siakam

To TOR:
#7, #26
Simons
Little
Keon

Dame
Sharpe
Grant
Siakam
Turner

I dont think theres a big difference between Turner and Nurk but I know we've been linked to Myles in the past. And his contract for the next two years is fairly reasonable.
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trade doesn't work unless it's a draft now, complete in July because of Turner's one-time 35M salary. At the draft it's Portland sending out 45M and getting back 70M. Too big a differential. Need to wait for Turner's salary to drop. It's doable but 4 current draft picks exchanged in a draft that's 10 days before the trade happens is tricky. Might as well just ship that 29th pick to Chicago and get all of Portland's 1st's back (they'd probably be asses and demand the 23...typical Bullshit)

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as the platypus said 3-->7 is a very steep decline. If it's just a 'simple' PDX/Ind trade I'd shoot for something like:

#3 + Keon for #7 + #26 + 2024 Indiana 1st (top-10 protected) + Jordan Nwora
 
Natebishop3 said:
The key numbers are percentage of assisted 2 pointers. It’s easy to have assisted three pointers because of catch and shoot situations.

81% of Scoots attempts are 2 pointers compared to only 45% for Dame. But the key is that Scoot is assisted on 35% of those attempts while Dame is only assisted on 15%. This means that Scoot moves without the ball because how are you going to be assisted on 35% of your 2 pointers if you’re standing around? It’s not like posting up on the three point line and waiting for the ball.
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g-league seems to have a lot more transition than the NBA. Most of that difference between Dame and Scoot might be transition two's. In order to analyze those differentials in any meaningful way you'd need half-court stats

as for Dame's low assisted FG rate, I'd think it would go higher if he was playing with a good passing perimeter player in a motion-oriented offense. He hasn't played with one since Batum
 
I'll never forget talking to a coach who was at the PF for the infamous (if you've seen the video, you know what I'm talking about) pre draft KD workout 16 years ago about this time of June..... all he said to me was, "KD, WOW!"

Ran into a staff member who was there for Scoot's workout last week, totally different guy, he looked at me and said, "Scoot, WOW!"

Gives ya something to think about.
 
THE HCP said:
I'll never forget talking to a coach who was at the PF for the infamous (if you've seen the video, you know what I'm talking about) pre draft KD workout 16 years ago about this time of June..... all he said to me was, "KD, WOW!"

Ran into a staff member who was there for Scoot's workout last week, totally different guy, he looked at me and said, "Scoot, WOW!"

Gives ya something to think about.
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I think we'll really regret passing on him or trading him if we do. There's more than what meets the eye about him than what you see in his stats or highlights. He has an intangible "it" factor.
 
THE HCP said:
I'll never forget talking to a coach who was at the PF for the infamous (if you've seen the video, you know what I'm talking about) pre draft KD workout 16 years ago about this time of June..... all he said to me was, "KD, WOW!"

Ran into a staff member who was there for Scoot's workout last week, totally different guy, he looked at me and said, "Scoot, WOW!"

Gives ya something to think about.
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Would you draft Scoot knowing if might cause Dame to ask for a trade?
 
wizenheimer said:
g-league seems to have a lot more transition than the NBA. Most of that difference between Dame and Scoot might be transition two's. In order to analyze those differentials in any meaningful way you'd need half-court stats

as for Dame's low assisted FG rate, I'd think it would go higher if he was playing with a good passing perimeter player in a motion-oriented offense. He hasn't played with one since Batum
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It's what makes Jokic so damned deadly.
 
BlazerBender said:
Would you draft Scoot knowing if might cause Dame to ask for a trade?
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Definitely. But then again I don't think it would cause Dame to ask for a trade if we kept him. Not solely because of Scoot anyways.
Dame knows talent and he knows, and I assume, likes Scoot. Now they could still draft him and trade Scoot, but I still think they can play together. (along with Sharpe)
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Definitely. But then again I don't think it would cause Dame to ask for a trade if we kept him. Not solely because of Scoot anyways.
Dame knows talent and he knows and I assume likes Scoot. Now they could still draft him and trade him, but I still think they can play together. (along with Sharpe)
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100% agree. Hcp has some inside vibes though. Love to hear his opinion.
 
O'Connor:

"My league sources say that Portland’s interest in building around Lillard is genuine. The front office is exploring deals for the no. 3 pick, and it’s also open to moving Anfernee Simons. Jaylen Brown, Pascal Siakam, or Mikal Bridges would make sense as potential targets via trade, but it’s unclear what level of appetite the Blazers have for that kind of trade. Come draft night, they might just pick."
 
illmatic99 said:
O'Connor:

"My league sources say that Portland’s interest in building around Lillard is genuine. The front office is exploring deals for the no. 3 pick, and it’s also open to moving Anfernee Simons. Jaylen Brown, Pascal Siakam, or Mikal Bridges would make sense as potential targets via trade, but it’s unclear what level of appetite the Blazers have for that kind of trade. Come draft night, they might just pick."
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well now, that narrows it down and adds a bunch of new info, huh?

how much does O'Conner get paid for that kind of insight?
 
illmatic99 said:
O'Connor:

"My league sources say that Portland’s interest in building around Lillard is genuine. The front office is exploring deals for the no. 3 pick, and it’s also open to moving Anfernee Simons. Jaylen Brown, Pascal Siakam, or Mikal Bridges would make sense as potential targets via trade, but it’s unclear what level of appetite the Blazers have for that kind of trade. Come draft night, they might just pick."
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Moves are always full of risk. But if you don't take any, you'll never know if they would have succeeded.
 
illmatic99 said:
O'Connor:

"My league sources say that Portland’s interest in building around Lillard is genuine. The front office is exploring deals for the no. 3 pick, and it’s also open to moving Anfernee Simons. Jaylen Brown, Pascal Siakam, or Mikal Bridges would make sense as potential targets via trade, but it’s unclear what level of appetite the Blazers have for that kind of trade. Come draft night, they might just pick."
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Nothing new from KOC here, but this makes total sense. The Blazers want to make a deal if it's within reason to do so to support a team around Dame, but aren't going to make a deal at all costs. There is a lot of catastrophizing going on in the Blazers fanbase right now (both directions), and I know with rumors swirling and the fact that we've been in this liminal state (at least) since the draft lottery nearly a month ago. But we all need to take a deep breath, and let the situation play itself out.

Let's just entertain ourselves, toss around and appropriately debate some ideas, but it seems like so many fans are getting preemptively angry when nothing has happened.
 
wizenheimer said:
well now, that narrows it down and adds a bunch of new info, huh?

how much does O'Conner get paid for that kind of insight?
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It's basically the same thing Haynes did. Dame is a hot topic right now so all these guys are just rehashing old news and trying to spin it as something new.
 
THE HCP said:
I'll never forget talking to a coach who was at the PF for the infamous (if you've seen the video, you know what I'm talking about) pre draft KD workout 16 years ago about this time of June..... all he said to me was, "KD, WOW!"

Ran into a staff member who was there for Scoot's workout last week, totally different guy, he looked at me and said, "Scoot, WOW!"

Gives ya something to think about.
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Yeh, but was Kevin Pritchard there to say "This guy is an assassin" as he did about KD?
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Definitely. But then again I don't think it would cause Dame to ask for a trade if we kept him. Not solely because of Scoot anyways.
Dame knows talent and he knows, and I assume, likes Scoot. Now they could still draft him and trade Scoot, but I still think they can play together. (along with Sharpe)
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He'd be a huuuuuge boost to our bench. Something we've been sorely missing for years during the dame era. Always have potent starting lineups but then our bench just blows.
 
KingSpeed said:
He said The Finals. Nuggets don’t win Game 3 without his 15 points off the bench.
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I was aware he said the finals.

Your assumption that Denver's 15 piont victory in Game 3 wouldn't have happend without Braun's +/- of +2 in 19 minutes, is just that, an assumption. But yes, he had a nice game and his 7/2/2 NBA Finals averages has been a bonus for Denver. I'm not ready to put much weight on his value to Denver's championship run.
 
I’m gonna be sad if we trade Simons and 3 for Siakam. Then pay 40 mil for Siakam per year on a deal that runs till he is 34 and roll out a big 3 of dame Siakam and grant, making it to the 2nd round and never further.
 
Sorry if I missed this, but let us pretend that Brown and or Siakam say they would re-sign if we traded for one of them.....when is the earliest that can happen?
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Sorry if I missed this, but let us pretend that Brown and or Siakam say they would re-sign if we traded for one of them.....when is the earliest that can happen?
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for extensions it would be 6 months after the trade before an agreement could be made
 
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