Girardi didn't challenge despite sanchez pleading he wasn't hit because he didn't want to upset the pitchers rhythm according to his postgame blathering bullshit. That was a no lose challenge in that situation.
Game Thread Yankees vs. Indians Friday 10/6/17, 5:08 pm
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...and I would have been happier if Torreyes hadn't made a bonehead base running error.
...one more time, ...whether or not a bunt has been signaled or not has absolutely no bearing on how far a runner ventures off the bag...he still faces the same odds of being picked off, by the pitcher or the catcher whether a bunt is missed or a pitch is swung and missed at.
Your lost. It absolutely has an effect on a runner if a bunt is in effect as he needs to get a little better lead to get to third. Absolutely makes a difference
He's still going to be here next year regardless with his binder, still blowing winnable games because his binder told him to not challenge or to pull a pitcher instead of using his eyes.
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A loss like that gets managers fired. I've never seen a worse example of somebody who managed with absolutely no feel for the game.
Listen to girardi's postgame conference mess. All the yankee announcers and the postgame crew are killing him. Didn't want to break the pitchers rhythm. WTF. Unusual to hear team announcers and postgame crew killing the manager and also took him to task for taking out CC so quick calling the non challenge explanation sketchy.
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A ridiculous answer like that just makes matters worse. That's saying you accept loading the bases because of rhythm and not because your video people's information? That's lunacy.
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...wait, I'm lost?...no, sorry, I don't think so. How many times do I have to say it, it is the runner's responsibility to ensure a bunt is laid down safely...you never know if a bunt may be popped up, or missed, or in this case, if the pitch is way out of the strike zone.
...none of this is predicated on whether a bunt is called for or bluffed...the strategy is the same.
And he has his catcher sharply telling him it hit the bat and not the hand and when was the last time you saw a batter get hit in the hand and not shake it in pain. He didn't go to first until the umpire told him to do so.
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If you think a runner looking to get a good jump on a bunt takes the same lead off the base as a runner thats not stealing I don't know what to say about your baseball knowledge as the runner on base with an expected bunt coming up is definitely taking a bigger lead than a runner not stealing on a base
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...you're right, you don't know what to say.
...the runner must make sure that the bunt is laid down safely...don't know how many times I have to say it...again, you're complaining about a bunt that never happened.
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Your explanation is completely wrong and your reasoning sounds like girardi's explanation of the non challenge. Just grasping for straws
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The Indians are every good team but they have a huge advantage in managing. Francona is so much better than Girardi, it is not even close.
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...even the guys on TV said Torreyes had too much of a lead...wanna dispute their "baseball knowledge" too?
...exactly what gives you the impression that you know so much more about the game than me or someone who played it professionally?
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Here's a question. Why is Torreyes even in the damn game at that point?.
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...a little more speed than Frazier I'm guessing...I dunno.
Hopefully to score on a base hit that frazier wouldn't be able to.
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...the Indians also have an advantage, in overall offense, defense, starting pitching, relief pitching...........
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Frasier is not a slow runner. It made no sense. Plus, if they don't score there you pulled a guy on base four times in the game.
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Let the Mets have their turn with Girardi. At some point I was done with Torre (who had a ton more equity) and after this I'm done with Girardi.
Torreyes in the postgame interview said he took a larger lead than normal so he could get a good jump with the bunt. that more than anything contributed to him being off further than he normally would be if a bunt wasn't in play. I don't claim to have more knowledge than anyone. I took the time to carefully explain the play in question to show you that you were wrong. The guys on tv happened to agree with me with the bunch of girardi fuck ups this game.
I wouldn't have taken him out either just making the point thats most likely why girardi did. Just added to the rest of his game fuck ups.
You and me both.
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...yes you did...do I really need to copy and paste your quote questioning my "baseball knowledge"?...and of course Torreyes said what he said...what do you expect him to say?...he fucked up, period like the "experts" said he did.
...and exactly what do you think I am wrong about?...for the umpteenth time, it does not matter whether a bunt is intentional, bluffed, or missed..."it is still up to the runner to ensure that the bunt is laid down safely"....do you dispute that?...if no, your point is moot ...if yes, well, I'm not the one who is 'wrong."
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Girardi says he didn't challenge because he didn't want to break Green's rhythm. What rhythm was that exactly Joe? By not challenging Green had just given up a double and then hit a batter to load the bases. So exactly what was Green doing that you didn't want disrupt?
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...Joe's explanation sounded like he was either covering up for whoever gave him the video info or covering up for himself...not sure we'll ever know the whole story but in the dugout you could see Joe's shoulders slump when he finally got the info saying that the pitch hit the knob of the bat. But I guess by that time it was too late too appeal although at that juncture of the game he probably should have appealed anyway.
...needless to say, this was a "gut punch" loss...and there are a lot of pissed off Yanx fans. There were quite a few moments in the game that the Yanx failed to execute or capitalize on that may have changed the outcome.
...like i said earlier, I did not particularly agree with the decision to remove CC, who was cruising at the time and whose pitch count was still low (77)...when Joe took him out CC had retired 12 of the last 13 Indians hitters he had faced and was about to face the 7-8-9 hitters. Seemed a bit like over-managing to me at the time.
