OLSHEY FIRED

[TBpup]

But he hit on CJ and Dame... So he's 2/3 on lotto picks.

Missed badly on Meyers....and then re-signed him.
Missed even worse on Zach....who he traded 2 picks to get. Yuck!
Hit on CJ....except you already had a small, ball dominant guard who wasn't much of a defender, but was better.

Dame had already been identified by Buchanon and the scouting staff. Neil basically got hired and made the pick that everyone else had sold Paul on.

 

[Mr. Robot]

trade cj mccollum/powell, i dont want to see three guard line-up anymore

 

[blazerkor]

Its just curious why they play the asshole card now. They could have done that at any time and try to remove him. Maybe the performance of the team and attendance really do have something to do with it.

We won't know because they are protecting the identity of the person or persons who came forward but because they seemed so supportive of Neil even as recently as the Billups hiring and subsequent scandal, I have to think that Vulcan felt that the complaints levied were enough to scare them that inaction would be horrendous for the Allen Trust's PR or that it could get them into an ugly legal problem. I do not think they were playing the asshole card. I think that the investigation turned up information that made them feel compelled to fire Olshey even if they wanted to keep him.

 

[Minstrel]

In the end, was Olshey fired for cause? Are the Blazers trying to get out of paying him? I haven't seen any reports regarding that (though I may have missed them), but it'll be interesting to see.

 

[B-Roy]

We won't know because they are protecting the identity of the person or persons who came forward but because they seemed so supportive of Neil even as recently as the Billups hiring and subsequent scandal, I have to think that Vulcan felt that the complaints levied were enough to scare them that inaction would be horrendous for the Allen Trust's PR or that it could get them into an ugly legal problem. I do not think they were playing the asshole card. I think that the investigation turned up information that made them feel compelled to fire Olshey even if they wanted to keep him.

Everyone I've listened to, including Jason Quick, Dan Marang and Mike Richman have all said that their sources indicate it wasn't any one specific incident that brought up this investigation, and they don't even really know why its all come out now.

 

[Scalma]

Its just curious why they play the asshole card now. They could have done that at any time and try to remove him. Maybe the performance of the team and attendance really do have something to do with it.

couldn’t have helped I’ll say that. But they said he violated code of conduct. Does that mean they don’t have to pay him?

 

[blazerkor]

couldn’t have helped I’ll say that. But they said he violated code of conduct. Does that mean they don’t have to pay him?

Yeah it means they're not planning on paying him.

 

[blazerkor]

Everyone I've listened to, including Jason Quick, Dan Marang and Mike Richman have all said that their sources indicate it wasn't any one specific incident that brought up this investigation, and they don't even really know why its all come out now.

What connections could any of those guys have that would get them past billionaire corporate NDAs and an organization in the Paul Allen Trust that is trying to protect it's reputation. I just don't see why any of those guys are reliable sources of information about how this all got started or what was discovered unless they have specifics about either of those two things.

 

[B-Roy]

couldn’t have helped I’ll say that. But they said he violated code of conduct. Does that mean they don’t have to pay him?

Just sounds like a way to get out of paying him, but actually with that wordage I can't tell whether they will still pay him the rest of his 3 years. Perhaps some lump sum severance that isn't as much as his total contract.

 

[GriLtCheeZ]

Tin foil hat theory: they dragged it out because they were looking for a way to keep Denial Olshit, and then had to go into reverse when Dame finally issued a "him or me" ultimatum.

I wonder if the new GM will sign Dame's cousin next year?

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Bottom line is that the Blazers have, at best, 4 players on the bench that can actually contribute. Nance is good. Zeller gives honest effort. Simons and Little can contribute, but the convenient timing of their current injuries makes me wonder if they really want the responsibility of a bigger role. The rest of the bench are lucky to have jobs.

Snell is fine as a part time backup, and DSJ has been great as a 3rd string PG.

Often the last few years we haven't had acceptable starting forwards.... so now having 4+ players that can contribute off the bench is actually really good.

This teams problem is at the top of the roster and key starters, not the middle of the bench.

 

[Labinot41]

 

[Phatguysrule]

Missed badly on Meyers....and then re-signed him.
Missed even worse on Zach....who he traded 2 picks to get. Yuck!
Hit on CJ....except you already had a small, ball dominant guard who wasn't much of a defender, but was better.

Dame had already been identified by Buchanon and the scouting staff. Neil basically got hired and made the pick that everyone else had sold Paul on.

Yeah, I'm not defending him. But CJ wasn't a miss. He could have traded him before now.

 

[TBpup]

Yeah, I'm not defending him. But CJ wasn't a miss. He could have traded him before now.

It said right in my post CJ was a hit. But given that we already had a much better version of CJ, it wasn't the best use of the pick.

 

[Predator]

Snell is fine as a part time backup, and DSJ has been great as a 3rd string PG.

Often the last few years we haven't had acceptable starting forwards.... so now having 4+ players that can contribute off the bench is actually really good.

This teams problem is at the top of the roster and key starters, not the middle of the bench.

snell is fine as nothing

i was on the “let me see him play” train but he blows lol

 

[FlashWad]

I have a feeling until Jody sells the team we won't move on from this era. Am I weird or anyone else like that?

 

[BBert]

We should start a GoFundMe for a celebration.

 

[Buffalo Custard]

Yeah, I'm not defending him. But CJ wasn't a miss. He could have traded him before now.

This is actually a good case study. Olshey knew just enough to recognize that CJ does have a degree of talent and value. Mistake 1: he wasn't a great fit. Mistake 2: he handed him to a coach that tolerated (or even encouraged) his bad habits. Mistake 3: he convinced himself CJ was the second coming of Dame. He over-valued him into a bad contract and the status of untradeable commodity.

 

[wizenheimer]

Dame's reaction to news:

 

[STOMP]

Praise Jebus, long time coming

STOMP

 

[blazerkor]

I just don't see it. Maybe before we shop Dame we should for the first time actively shop CJ. If we can get someone back for CJ and/or cap relief then that's where we go. Don't get me wrong if it's time to blow it up then it's time to do that but CJ is the first piece to the puzzle in my opinion. Really find out what you can get for him because if you can get value back for him which Marks actually says CJ's name once in this video and he says he certainly has value but then pivots quickly to Dame because he has the most value. Once you've cashed in CJ for what you can then assess if winning big with Dame and what you'll have going forward is possible, that's when if you think it's not you tear the whole thing down.

Last season Dame was one of the top 7 guys in the league... he has an injury but he hasn't dropped off a cliff. I say in this market where we never get a superstar that loves it here like Dame does, that we ride with Dame until he wants to retire. CP3 is still going strong, Dirk won a chip in his 13th season, Kidd was the starting PG on that team and he was 38. So I do not think we trade Dame, we actually for the first time in his career attempt to surround him with players that complement his game and see what he can do with that.

I do think Marks is right that we should move RoCo and Nurk immediately for the best value we can get... maybe see if any team is interested in one of them in combination with CJ. Like Marks says those two guys still have value but this roster is a clusterfuck. So I do think we need a major rebuild it's just is it a completely new core or is it rebuilding around the best player in franchise history who has had to carry the weight of an ill conceived partnership with CJ for the majority of his career.

 

[Phatguysrule]

I just don't see it. Maybe before we shop Dame we should for the first time actively shop CJ. If we can get someone back for CJ and/or cap relief then that's where we go. Don't get me wrong if it's time to blow it up then it's time to do that but CJ is the first piece to the puzzle in my opinion. Really find out what you can get for him because if you can get value back for him which Marks actually says CJ's name once in this video and he says he certainly has value but then pivots quickly to Dame because he has the most value. Once you've cashed in CJ for what you can then assess if winning big with Dame and what you'll have going forward is possible, that's when if you think it's not you tear the whole thing down.

Last season Dame was one of the top 7 guys in the league... he has an injury but he hasn't dropped off a cliff. I say in this market where we never get a superstar that loves it here like Dame does, that we ride with Dame until he wants to retire. CP3 is still going strong, Dirk won a chip in his 13th season, Kidd was the starting PG on that team and he was 38. So I do not think we trade Dame, we actually for the first time in his career attempt to surround him with players that complement his game and see what he can do with that.

This right here. Agreed.

 

[BoomChakaLaka]

I just don't see it. Maybe before we shop Dame we should for the first time actively shop CJ. If we can get someone back for CJ and/or cap relief then that's where we go. Don't get me wrong if it's time to blow it up then it's time to do that but CJ is the first piece to the puzzle in my opinion. Really find out what you can get for him because if you can get value back for him which Marks actually says CJ's name once in this video and he says he certainly has value but then pivots quickly to Dame because he has the most value. Once you've cashed in CJ for what you can then assess if winning big with Dame and what you'll have going forward is possible, that's when if you think it's not you tear the whole thing down.

Last season Dame was one of the top 7 guys in the league... he has an injury but he hasn't dropped off a cliff. I say in this market where we never get a superstar that loves it here like Dame does, that we ride with Dame until he wants to retire. CP3 is still going strong, Dirk won a chip in his 13th season, Kidd was the starting PG on that team and he was 38. So I do not think we trade Dame, we actually for the first time in his career attempt to surround him with players that complement his game and see what he can do with that.

I do think Marks is right that we should move RoCo and Nurk immediately for the best value we can get... maybe see if any team is interested in one of them in combination with CJ. Like Marks says those two guys still have value but this roster is a clusterfuck. So I do think we need a major rebuild it's just is it a completely new core or is it rebuilding around the best player in franchise history who has had to carry the weight of an ill conceived partnership with CJ for the majority of his career.

Who’s this guy Marks? I’ve been saying to trade RoCo, Nurkic and CJ…yes! And even packaging CJ with one of them to go get talent…. Geez! That’s copyright infringement right there!

 

[blazerkor]

Whose this guy Marks? I’ve been saying to trade RoCo, Nurkic and CJ…yes! And even packaging CJ with one of them to go get talent…. Geez! That’s copyright infringement right there!

Bobby Marks is the guy in this ESPN video that I was replying to. I'm pretty sure it's Bobby Marks.

 

[BoomChakaLaka]

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Did you go back through the posts and count how many times I’ve said we need to trade Nurk?

 

[BoomChakaLaka]

I wonder if the new GM will sign Dame's cousin next year?

Are you kidding? Dame’s uncle is in line for the next GM job! [Dame, Blevins and Uncle Joe]

 

[Cugel]

I don't agree. Tobias Harris' deal is as bad as CJs. Trading Dame for Harris, Thybulle and Maxey is a horrible idea. Sure Maxey and Thybulle show promise but I don't see them being all stars, maybe ever. Same for Harris.

 

[Buffalo Custard]

Any conversation about trading Dame has to recognize 2 harsh realities. The first is that no trade will produce equal value. The second is that if Dame wants to leave we need to wish him well and let him go. The first is a good reason to keep him as long as he wants to be here.

 

[Minstrel]

Like some other prominent ex-Blazers GMs, Olshey leaves us with an enduring quote for his employment tombstone.

Bob Whitsitt: "I'm not a chemistry major."
Kevin Pritchard: "Let the cake bake."

Neil Olshey: "It's not the roster."

 

[BBert]

I wonder if this would have happened if the Blazers had won by 31 points last night instead of losing by 31?

I'd call that an extremely successful loss.