OLSHEY FIRED

[boredinsalem]

But he's not going to help us get where Dame wants to go. That's all I'm saying. Dame deserves a better return on CJ than that. If we can't get Dame a guy in his prime who is a border-line all star we're better off to just start the rebuild now.

I think it depends on his buy-in and how good he and the blazers think Simons and Nassir can be. If you added Okoro to that group you've got a huge expiring contract next year in Love, all your picks, and some youth to throw at a disgruntled star if you want to. I think that's MUCH better than losing Simons and Roco for nothing, which is absolutely what will happen if we stand pat.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

But he hit on CJ and Dame... So he's 2/3 on lotto picks.

10. Trail Blazers C.J. McCollum PG

15. Bucks Giannis Antetokounmpo SF

27. Nuggets Rudy Gobert C

 

[blazerkor]

There is something to be said for the notion that the coach and GM should be treated as a single unit. They ride together, they die together.

I don't know if that can be seen as the case with Chauncey though. He was only hired by Neil what??? five months ago. He also interviewed with the ownership group. So yeah Terry and Neil should have been fired as a tandem but I don't see Chauncey being inextricably linked to Neil. Not even close.

 

[Chris Craig]

10. Trail Blazers C.J. McCollum PG

15. Bucks Giannis Antetokounmpo SF

27. Nuggets Rudy Gobert C

If he would have picked Giannis we'd have won another championship by now

 

[Buffalo Custard]

I don't know if that can be seen as the case with Chauncey though. He was only hired by Neil what??? five months ago. He also interviewed with the ownership group. So yeah Terry and Neil should have been fired as a tandem but I don't see Chauncey being inextricably linked to Neil. Not even close.

Fair point.

 

[Buffalo Custard]

10. Trail Blazers C.J. McCollum PG

15. Bucks Giannis Antetokounmpo SF

27. Nuggets Rudy Gobert C

Here lies Neil Olshey. Thought Meyers Leonard was worthy of a lotto pick and Giannis wasn't. Please remember to zip up after pissing on the grave - there are children present.

 

[MickZagger]

I don’t think Olshey ever gets another GM gig. It has nothing to do with any kind of investigation either.

 

[illmatic99]

This makes me like Kevin Calabro even more:

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Fine with all that but lol at the notion of Stotts taking accountability. Couldn't bw further from the truth. Dude was so up his own ass he never even acknowledged the team made mistakes.

 

[Mr. Robot]

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[blazedanugz]

and Chris Kaman!

Haha Kaman was actually pretty legit for us..I always forget he was in the team

 

[KSF-ERIC]

A team he assembled won a title. In his first year as GM. When the previous year they finished 24-58. What more do you want?

He also traded Fultz for Jayson Tatum.

 

[blazedanugz]

Here lies Neil Olshey. Thought Meyers Leonard was worthy of a lotto pick and Giannis wasn't. Please remember to zip up after pissing on the grave - there are children present.

In fairness….in that new book about Giannis and the Bucks..it says only two GMs wanted Giannis and it was the bucks and Masai

 

[blazedanugz]

He also traded Fultz for Jayson Tatum.

Wow good point…
That might be the most underrated trade of all time

 

[SlyPokerCat]

The point is Ainge goes for it and makes big trades. Kyrie did not work out, but he went for it. More than Olshey can say.

 

[B-Roy]

Dame taking classes from LaMarcus aldridge?

 

[Phatguysrule]

10. Trail Blazers C.J. McCollum PG

15. Bucks Giannis Antetokounmpo SF

27. Nuggets Rudy Gobert C

14 other GMs missed on Giannis. 26 missed on Gobert. I'm not defending the guy, but if you could get a player as productive as CJ out of every lotto pick you'd be the best GM in the league. You'd tank for 3 or 4 years then make deep playoff runs for 10-15 years.

 

[Phatguysrule]

If you are going to give him credit for Dame (debatable) then he also gets the blame for Leonard. That leaves him with a lotto record of one great pick, one OK pick (but not the best player available), and 2 horrible misses. Call it 1 win, 2 losses, and 1 draw.

For sure. I forgot about Leonard. Probably deliberately... I don't consider CJ a draw. 2 wins 2 losses. And Collins injury couldn't have been predicted.

I'm not saying Olshey should have kept his job. He should have had a replacement for Olshey ready once the decision to let Terry go was made.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

The End of the Neil Olshey Era Leaves the Trail Blazers in a State of Disarray

 

[FlashWad]

The Oshley Era is finally over. I hope we aren't waiting for the end of the season to find a replacement though that basically means this season is a wash. Brent Berry or Prince sound great.

 

[FlashWad]

It's still strange to me that they let Olshey keep his job last summer, pick his coach, give that coach a lucrative 5 year deal, and then fire the guy midseason for being a douchenozzle. I mean, they must have known a long time ago that he was a douchenozzle, why all of a sudden now?

Because it became public. Look at Activision Blizzard they had years of misconduct that the higher ups knew about but didn't do anything until it was public. Higher ups unfortunately in business don't care about that sort of thing anywhere only money.

 

[FlashWad]

I'm seriously wondering how often a GM under contract has been hired away by another team? Especially mid-season.

I find it weird they would want to come to Portland when already working in much larger markets in New York and Chicago.

 

[Minstrel]

this is nonsense. mannix is a boston-stan who really has no connections outside of that city. don't buy it.

To be fair, he said Ainge's name was certain to "surface," not that he would be seriously considered or hired. I also expect lots of people to link Ainge to the long-term GM job in Portland. I, too, hope he's not seriously considered. I think he has strengths as a GM, but his weaknesses make replicating even his successes in Boston quite unlikely IMO.

 

[Minstrel]

The point is Ainge goes for it and makes big trades. Kyrie did not work out, but he went for it. More than Olshey can say.

To an extent--I thought his downfall as a GM was how tentative he was about trading all the fabled draft assets he acquired during the break-up of the Garnett/Pierce/Allen team and beyond that. As he and many analysts noted, he had the "war chest" to go after multiple big fish to put alongside Tatum and Brown. Instead, that all kind of fizzled out and the Celtics, a team many thought Ainge had set up for greatness, has never really turned into a serious contender.

 

[SlyPokerCat]

To an extent--I thought his downfall as a GM was how tentative he was about trading all the fabled draft assets he acquired during the break-up of the Garnett/Pierce/Allen team and beyond that. As he and many analysts noted, he had the "war chest" to go after multiple big fish to put alongside Tatum and Brown. Instead, that all kind of fizzled out and the Celtics, a team many thought Ainge had set up for greatness, has never really turned into a serious contender.

For sure. He had his faults. But gosh, so many times I was Jealous of their set up with those picks and players. Kyrie trade was looked at as good at the time, but it became bad. He went for it. I'd take some of that right now over Olshey.

I'm more interested in a Presti type at this point though.

 

[Scalma]

It's still strange to me that they let Olshey keep his job last summer, pick his coach, give that coach a lucrative 5 year deal, and then fire the guy midseason for being a douchenozzle. I mean, they must have known a long time ago that he was a douchenozzle, why all of a sudden now?

It was reported not long ago, forget who it was but it wasn’t some random reporter, that the blazers didn’t get a single complaint about Olshey until now, not even on their anonymous tip line.

 

[Minstrel]

For sure. He had his faults. But gosh, so many times I was Jealous of their set up with those picks and players. Kyrie trade was looked at as good at the time, but it became bad. He went for it. I'd take some of that right now over Olshey.

I'm more interested in a Presti type at this point though.

After Olshey, an aggressive-minded GM would be an interesting change, at least. In the end, either way works--Popovich and Buford built a long-time contender and title-winner through a slow and steady method that just focused on making good decisions over and over. I would say that Masai Ujiri is in the same style, though the trade for Kawhi Leonard was certainly a lightning bolt. Ainge built a title contender though being aggressive.

The important thing is to have a GM with vision and who can stack good decisions through smart process, even if they are not always right.

 

[B-Roy]

It was reported not long ago, forget who it was but it wasn’t some random reporter, that the blazers didn’t get a single complaint about Olshey until now, not even on their anonymous tip line.

Even if that were true (and I don't necessarily buy that), official complaints are not the only thing that determine a person's behavior. I don't escalate poor behavior of my bosses when I see it, but people generally if a certain person is prickly or not. I just don't believe that Jody and Bert were not aware of Olshey's certain "tendencies" before this. And if they were, thats akin to being asleep at the wheel. It's even more telling of our shitty ownership.

 

[Scalma]

Even if that were true (and I don't necessarily buy that), official complaints are not the only thing that determine a person's behavior. I don't escalate poor behavior of my bosses when I see it, but people generally if a certain person is prickly or not. I just don't believe that Jody and Bert were not aware of Olshey's certain "tendencies" before this. And if they were, thats akin to being asleep at the wheel. It's even more telling of our shitty ownership.

Being an asshole isn’t really enough to fire somebody though. My guess is he hovered along a line his whole tenure and then crossed it recently.

Quick also wrote this last month

 

[handiman]

Olshey's one claim to fame was getting Chris Paul when David Stern killed the Lakers trade.

Didn't he also get a meeting with LeBron during free agency, showing that LAC was finally being taken seriously? I recall the story being something like, they knew they had no chance, but just getting an audience was a huge sign of respect.

 

[B-Roy]

Being an asshole isn’t really enough to fire somebody though. My guess is he hovered along a line his whole tenure and then crossed it recently.

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Its just curious why they play the asshole card now. They could have done that at any time and try to remove him. Maybe the performance of the team and attendance really do have something to do with it.