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Yes, I think forcing people, homeless or not, against their will, is heartless.

No one is stopping people that want to move to Florida from California from leaving the state. As it is a problem to move people in homeless encampments to state provided housing as is, I doubt it very much that there is a glut of homeless people in California that are chomping at the bits to move to Florida and can't do it on their own.
Well you could offer the free trip to Florida and see who signs on because I'm sorry but the ways and means of a homeless person do not allow for the expense of relocating...hell my family in California with jobs and houses would have a hard time relocating..I'm not talking about people who want to improve their circumstances and live in their homeland but I believe a large percentage of the west coast homeless are not native Californians or Native Oregonians. Career homeless people like warm weather and year around produce. Both California and Florida provide those things. Anyway I'm sorry if I got off on this tangent but I'm tired of seeing places I love degenerate and I don't love Florida.
 
Well you could offer the free trip to Florida and see who signs on because I'm sorry but the ways and means of a homeless person do not allow for the expense of relocating...hell my family in California with jobs and houses would have a hard time relocating..I'm not talking about people who want to improve their circumstances and live in their homeland but I believe a large percentage of the west coast homeless are not native Californians or Native Oregonians. Career homeless people like warm weather and year around produce. Both California and Florida provide those things. Anyway I'm sorry if I got off on this tangent but I'm tired of seeing places I love degenerate and I don't love Florida.

Recent studies show that this is not true. Most of the homeless population in CA is local. The issue is mostly related to cost of housing - and as mentioned above, the pandemic really made this problem a lot more acute because of the combination of loss of income and unreasonable escalation in housing costs.

https://www.courthousenews.com/stud...lack or indigenous,to violence, drugs or jail.
 
Recent studies show that this is not true. Most of the homeless population in CA is local. The issue is mostly related to cost of housing - and as mentioned above, the pandemic really made this problem a lot more acute because of the combination of loss of income and unreasonable escalation in housing costs.

https://www.courthousenews.com/study-finds-most-of-californias-homeless-are-locals/#:~:text=Those with Black or indigenous,to violence, drugs or jail.
If what you say is true I stand corrected....when I saw the 58 block skid row in Los Angeles I saw meth heads and drunks and junkies everywhere....career bums. I have no empathy for that element but people who are priced out of the housing market I have great empathy for. Especially those who sign up for staffing services everyday looking for sub work to get ahead. I thought I stipulated that lazy career homeless campers were my target for removal, not people willing to contribute and support themselves..California priced me out of the real estate market in the early 80s I sold out and moved to Hawaii. It's a tough place for a young couple to raise a family in my view. Also I think you can become a "local" Californian as soon as you've lived there six months and gotten an ID card. Los Angeles is sort of the bus station of America.
 
There is a good article about it from about 2 months ago:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/11/us/california-homeless-spending/index.html

Some of the issues mentioned that the state does is trying to force local communities to build more affordable housing, the fact that some people do not want to accept the free housing, again, leaders need to ensure to make the resources available for the solutions and continuously work for it. Again, anyone that says it is an easy thing to do in 5 years, where 3 of them also including a global pandemic is, imho, out of their depth. I can judge Newsom on what he has done with what he has so far, and to me at least, it seems like his heart is in the right place (can't say that for most politicians) and he is actually doing the legwork.

I do not believe this will be solved within 4, 8 or 10 years honestly - the systems in the US are just too cumbersome for it. But, I believe I once heard him say that success is not a place, it's a trend. This, I believe in.
Thanks for the link. There are certainly considerations. It's definitely not easy.

Salt Lake City eliminated homelessness in a matter of years. Finland did as well.

What will almost certainly NOT happen is reducing the price or increasing the affordability of housing. Nobody in power really wants that. So if that is the goal, it is doomed to fail from the start, IMO. What the pandemic has done is allowed a shift to more people working from home. This has caused a huge amount of open space in office buildings. There is 68 million square feet of vacant office space in Los Angeles, Orange, Riverside and San Bernardino Counties. That's enough alone for every homeless person in california to get nearly 400 sq/ft.

Now, I'm not suggesting that those counties actually house all of the homeless in California, but there is clearly enough vacant space across the whole state to get people who need housing into housing. Of course there are other services needed, and I get that. But the space is there. Incentives for cities and companies to retrofit these buildings into housing would be an incredible start (and not necessarily just housing for the homeless) like Boston, for example.

Again, there are solutions out there. Solutions that have been successful in this country. I'll be interested to see what kind of progress Newsom can make on homelessness. Thus far it sounds like he wants to solve the problem, but homelessness continues to get worse in California. Not better...

Again, I'd certainly vote for Newsom over Trump. And probably over Biden as well. And I'd love to see some national leaders making some serious progress on reducing homelessness.
 
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What will almost certainly NOT happen is reducing the price or increasing the affordability of housing. Nobody in power really wants that. So if that is the goal, it is doomed to fail from the start, IMO. What the pandemic has done is allowed a shift to more people working from home. This has caused a huge amount of open space in office buildings. There is 68 million square feet of vacant office space in Los Angeles, Orange, Riverside and San Bernardino Counties. That's enough alone for every homeless person in california to get nearly 400 sq/ft.

Well, we have seen that the programs mentioned above purchase some properties for this conversion. But, we have to remember that the state does not own these properties - so you need to persuade the private enterprises that own them to sell for a price that makes sense for the government - and then you have to go through the local zoning issues converting a lot of buildings to residential dwelling, and I am willing to bet there will be issues with neighbors fighting these conversions.

All I am saying is that just writing checks to house people is not enough. It's a start to get this money, there is a whole lot of work to be done on many levels of government to make this into a reality. It sure seems like the state of CA is devoting a lot more money and work to get it moving, I just do not believe it will be a quick process.
 
But if you are going to vote based on a candidate's fantasies, wouldn't it be better to choose a candidate with more interesting fantasies?

barfo

First you wrongly interpreted what I said earlier and then used words that I never said...and now "fantasies"?...WTF?...my vote will be based on what I feel is "interesting"/important.
 
Well, we have seen that the programs mentioned above purchase some properties for this conversion. But, we have to remember that the state does not own these properties - so you need to persuade the private enterprises that own them to sell for a price that makes sense for the government - and then you have to go through the local zoning issues converting a lot of buildings to residential dwelling, and I am willing to bet there will be issues with neighbors fighting these conversions.

All I am saying is that just writing checks to house people is not enough. It's a start to get this money, there is a whole lot of work to be done on many levels of government to make this into a reality. It sure seems like the state of CA is devoting a lot more money and work to get it moving, I just do not believe it will be a quick process.
Yep, I agree with you. I just want to see the numbers start dropping and those who can get back to self reliance being brought back ASAP.
 
Gavin Newsom, the governor of the homeless camp named California.

Jesus, Newsom cares about human life about as much as a republican does. You might as well cast your vote for Greg Abbot or Ron DeSantis...

Which politician is or has dealt with the homeless situation to your liking?
 
First you wrongly interpreted what I said earlier and then used words that I never said...and now "fantasies"?...WTF?...my vote will be based on what I feel is "interesting"/important.

That's fine with me. It's a free country.

But yes, it's a fantasy. Not going to happen no matter how much President Haley lobbies for it.

Which she won't actually do, by the way, because it wouldn't help her once she's in office.

Today Vivek says he'll fire 75% of the federal workforce. That's a fantasy too.

Some people will probably vote for him because they like his fantasy.

On the other hand, President Ramaswamy probably can fire 0.75% of the federal workforce. So at least he can fulfill 1% of his fantasy if he gets elected.

barfo
 
That's fine with me. It's a free country.

But yes, it's a fantasy. Not going to happen no matter how much President Haley lobbies for it.

Which she won't actually do, by the way, because it wouldn't help her once she's in office.

Today Vivek says he'll fire 75% of the federal workforce. That's a fantasy too.

Some people will probably vote for him because they like his fantasy.

On the other hand, President Ramaswamy probably can fire 0.75% of the federal workforce. So at least he can fulfill 1% of his fantasy if he gets elected.

barfo


You're right, it IS a free country. But it is nice to know that someone has a crystal ball and can foretell what the future brings.

Don't know why you're going on about this.
 
You're right, it IS a free country. But it is nice to know that someone has a crystal ball and can foretell what the future brings.

Don't know why you're going on about this.

Same reason you are going on about this. You brought it up for discussion, we are discussing it.

I don't think it takes a crystal ball to "know" term limits are going nowhere.

Edit: I do think term limits on the Supreme Court are remotely possible, if the current tide of corruption discoveries gets bigger and bigger and the Supremes also do something to piss off congresspeople of both parties.

barfo
 
Same reason you are going on about this. You brought it up for discussion, we are discussing it.

I don't think it takes a crystal ball to "know" term limits are going nowhere.

barfo

I didn't "go on" about shit. I made a simple comment #4126 and even stipulated by saying that "My opinion will probably change, but...". And you've been on my nuts ever since.
 
I didn't "go on" about shit. I made a simple comment #4126 and even prefaced it by saying that "My opinion will probably change, but...". And you've been on my nuts ever since.

I'm just having fun talking about something I saw in the thread which interested me. If my tone seemed hostile, I apologize. I assure you my intent was the opposite of hostile.

barfo
 
Joe Biden is doing something no other president before him has accomplished by taking on Big Pharma...he's capping insulin at 35 bucks a month and capping 10 other lifesaver drugs such as my heart medicine which over the counter is 300 bucks for 60 pills, a one month supply. The VA has saved me a fortune on heart medicine costs and now I have zero copay...I used to pay 50 some bucks a month copay for them. This is actually a milestone legislation that nobody talks about because Hunter had an illegal gun when he was a junkie.
 
Joe Biden is doing something no other president before him has accomplished by taking on Big Pharma...he's capping insulin at 35 bucks a month and capping 10 other lifesaver drugs such as my heart medicine which over the counter is 300 bucks for 60 pills, a one month supply. The VA has saved me a fortune on heart medicine costs and now I have zero copay...I used to pay 50 some bucks a month copay for them. This is actually a milestone legislation that nobody talks about because Hunter had an illegal gun when he was a junkie.
That is awesome. I'm really glad you'll be getting some relief!

Unfortunately, once you have already accepted that over 100 million Americans have inadequate access to healthcare... this is just so underwhelming when compared to nearly every other first world country. It's the minimum I would expect from a sitting Dem President at this point in time. The absolute bare minimum.
 
Joe Biden is doing something no other president before him has accomplished by taking on Big Pharma...he's capping insulin at 35 bucks a month and capping 10 other lifesaver drugs such as my heart medicine which over the counter is 300 bucks for 60 pills, a one month supply. The VA has saved me a fortune on heart medicine costs and now I have zero copay...I used to pay 50 some bucks a month copay for them. This is actually a milestone legislation that nobody talks about because Hunter had an illegal gun when he was a junkie.

Had no idea that you had a heart attack...To piggy back on your experience, and to give some perspective on how f'd up the pharmaceutical industry is, my Brother in law requires a medication that he's been paying $175 twice a month for after using his medicare prescription card which doesn't give much of a discount on that particular drug...last month while he and in Son were in the walmart pharmacy to pick up his prescription and when the lady told him "That will be $175", his Son asked the lady if she could try it on his "Good-Rx" card/app which anyone can get, so she took his card and guess how much for that same prescription through Good-Rx?....$55 , yup, I shit you not.

Talk about a rip-off and/or a screwed up system...sheesh !

Anywho, I'm a year older than you, but you take care of yourself...this place would not be the same without you.
 
Had no idea that you had a heart attack...To piggy back on your experience, and to give some perspective on how f'd up the pharmaceutical industry is, my Brother in law requires a medication that he's been paying $175 twice a month for after using his medicare prescription card which doesn't give much of a discount on that particular drug...last month while he and in Son were in the walmart pharmacy to pick up his prescription and when the lady told him "That will be $175", his Son asked the lady if she could try it on his "Good-Rx" card/app which anyone can get, so she took his card and guess how much for that same prescription through Good-Rx?....$55 , yup, I shit you not.

Talk about a rip-off and/or a screwed up system...sheesh !

Anywho, I'm a year older than you, but you take care of yourself...this place would not be the same without you.
Thanks yank...I just had a checkup and I'm better than I have been for the last 7 years...afib has calmed way down but I pace myself these days.
 
Gun license applications ask applicant about drug use. Fudging that answer is hardly unusual. And almost never charged, except when gun was used in violent crime or for gang leaders. Yet this is what Hunter Biden is charged with.

And second amendment loving Republicans who oppose any gun restrictions even for people with felony convictions are all outraged.... Not.
 
He was there 8 days after the 12th and in Alaska on the 11th according to the article. That's not a huge gaff given it was 22 years ago and all the things these guys do and places they go over the last 22 years or so since the actual event. Doesn't surprise me at all that Joe stretched his visit date by about a week

So you’re saying his mental acuity is deteriorating?
 
So you’re saying his mental acuity is deteriorating?
I've said all along he's old and probably exhausted half the time. That doesn't translate as dementia or Reaganesque alzheimers anytime soon. These guys are talking heads for a living. Joe's been doing this shit over half a century. Thing is he didn't want to be president but felt he had to be to counter Trump's power grab. He was right. I don't worry about Joe on the job, I worried everyday about Trump on the job. I'm too damned old to be president and Joe is 14 years older than I am. Nobody argues these guys are too old. Don't confuse that with losing their cognitive skills. Memories, sure...I've probably lost some of those.
 
I remember exactly where I was on 9/11.
That's awesome for you.I've always had a solid memory, my wife not so much....I remember as well but the next day I can't quite recall. Also neither of us has had the middle of the night calls and non stop global travel he's had for his entire life...it's not the years but sometimes the miles and I've traveled alot but it pales in comparison to Joe's half century calendar I'm sure. On 9/11 I was at Frye's electronics in Wilsonville buying a computer part...the next day I could have been anywhere as I was traveling and meeting realators all over the state looking at land to buy. I think I was in Eugene on the 12th but I couldn't confirm it today. Could've been in Florence that day as well.
 
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I remember where I was but if you asked me what day of the week, I don't remember. And I am not senile. Also, I worked a job with a regular time and place schedule which makes it easier. If I traveled a lot it might be harder to remember.
 
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