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I guess it wold free up more of their debt to go out and finance a new car, smart phone, vacation and more credit card debt.
Yep. Americans should be free to make choices like that. And the fear of those people claiming bankruptcy keeps those credit agencies at least a little bit more cautious.

Tricking kids into massive debt before their prefrontal cortex is attached in the hopes of preventing them from having purchasing power is not something we should strive toward.

That is the definition of predatory behavior.
 
Yep. Americans should be free to make choices like that. And the fear of those people claiming bankruptcy keeps those credit agencies at least a little bit more cautious.

Tricking kids into massive debt before their prefrontal cortex is attached in the hopes of preventing them from having purchasing power is not something we should strive toward.

That is the definition of predatory behavior.
Yeah, imagine without school behind it, walking into a bank at 18 and asking for 25k. No collateral. Also, I don't have a job, and do not plan on getting one this year. Oh also, I'm not going to make any payments this year. ALSO, I'm going to come back every year for the next 3 years after this and ask for the same thing.
 
That seems like a real lazy critique of those with student loan debt.
I have 6 kids and all have had student loan debt and I helped each one as much as I could. Ive got 3 grandkids in college now and 2 have loans now, and know they are responsible to pay them back over the long haul. They were not tricked and unaware what their obligation would be. I wasn't being lazy in my take just realistic in that they will continue to build up debt as most people do even if their student loan is forgiven.
 
If I didn't have student loan payments it would have freed up monthly cash that I would have saved and been able to purchase a home earlier. But that's just me.
Thats good! A commend you for wanting to purchase a home.
 
I have 6 kids and all have had student loan debt and I helped each one as much as I could. Ive got 3 grandkids in college now and 2 have loans now, and know they are responsible to pay them back over the long haul. They were not tricked and unaware what their obligation would be. I wasn't being lazy in my take just realistic in that they will continue to build up debt as most people do even if their student loan is forgiven.
Yeah, going with the new car, smart phone, vacations, credit card debt had some serious boomer energy. Surprised you didn't throw in going out for coffee and Avocado toast in there.
 
I have 6 kids and all have had student loan debt and I helped each one as much as I could. Ive got 3 grandkids in college now and 2 have loans now, and know they are responsible to pay them back over the long haul. They were not tricked and unaware what their obligation would be. I wasn't being lazy in my take just realistic in that they will continue to build up debt as most people do even if their student loan is forgiven.
That is excellent for your kids and grandkids, and you're commendable for helping them. A lot, and I would even argue a majority, of borrows do not have that luxury. Not sure if your kin have gone through any loan consolidation or IDR plans, but that is where a lot of the issues arise. My loan has been sold from one government processer to another a few different times, and each time I get information about how it was because they were found to be predatory. I'm one of the lucky ones that hasn't been screwed over completely, but most aren't.
 
I’m assuming no one here knows Joe Biden has a speech impediment?
Obviously they don’t?
If they did they would know he has worked his entire life to get through it.
I’m hearing impaired. I say “What” a lot. Sometimes people confuse not hearing with being unintelligent. I can assure you some do this to people who with speech problems as well.

I’ve heard of lisps and stuttering. I’ve never heard of the ‘I just drank a fifth of vodka’ slurred speech impediment that also makes you completely forget what you’re talking about mid sentence, multiple times during the course of a single presentation. It’s especially interesting that he didn’t seem to suffer from this impediment 5 years ago when he was talking clearly and staying on topic.
 
I don't get why people morally support debt forgiveness only in special circumstances. All loans are predatory by their nature; they are a profit-making tool born out of a need and a power imbalance. Loans are a product of coercion, and are thus morally wrong.

I think Jesus has my back on this one, in case ABM is reading.
 
I’ve heard of lisps and stuttering. I’ve never heard of the ‘I just drank a fifth of vodka’ slurred speech impediment that also makes you completely forget what you’re talking about mid sentence, multiple times during the course of a single presentation. It’s especially interesting that he didn’t seem to suffer from this impediment 5 years ago when he was talking clearly and staying on topic.
Maybe you should actually read up on it.
He's dealt with it his entire life.
Biden’s Stutter: How a Childhood Battle Shaped His Approach to Life & Politics | President Biden | FRONTLINE | PBS | Official Site
 
I don't get why people morally support debt forgiveness only in special circumstances. All loans are predatory by their nature; they are a profit-making tool born out of a need and a power imbalance. Loans are a product of coercion, and are thus morally wrong.

I think Jesus has my back on this one, in case ABM is reading.
Actually, this is a very uninformed statement. Now if you had said "Some loans are predatory" and "Many are a profit making tool" and "Some institutions use them as a product of coercion which could be construed as morally wrong", then I would agree with it.
I'm very in tune with Credit Unions. There is a difference.
 
I’ll avoid the puff piece by a liberal outlet trying to convince us all we’re not actually seeing what we’re very clearly seeing.
You accusing PBS of gaslighting?
 
I’ll avoid the puff piece by a liberal outlet trying to convince us all we’re not actually seeing what we’re very clearly seeing.
I sincerely respect your opinion and can actually understand why you have the opinion you do. But based on your reason/logic, how do you excuse (or possibly even support) similar (or worse) gaffes by the previous White House occupant? Serious question.
 
I guess it wold free up more of their debt to go out and finance a new car, smart phone, vacation and more credit card debt.

Unfortunately, it might have to go to pay health care debt because this country has sold it's soul to greed a long time ago. There is an awful lot of basic human needs that the American society does not handle well.
 
I sincerely respect your opinion and can actually understand why you have the opinion you do. But based on your reason/logic, how do you excuse (or possibly even support) similar (or worse) gaffes by the previous White House occupant? Serious question.

There’s no excuse for many of the stupid things Trump has said or done. Those things don’t negate Biden’s cognitive decline though. We’re talking about the current President in a time where there is a lot of uncertainty in the world. It’s not out of line to bring it up.
 
There’s no excuse for many of the stupid things Trump has said or done. Those things don’t negate Biden’s cognitive decline though. We’re talking about the current President in a time where there is a lot of uncertainty in the world. It’s not out of line to bring it up.
We'll never fix it if we don't start paying our political leaders better and get rid of lobbying.

There is no incentive for good people to choose politics. Just crooks and idiots.
 
Actually, this is a very uninformed statement. Now if you had said "Some loans are predatory" and "Many are a profit making tool" and "Some institutions use them as a product of coercion which could be construed as morally wrong", then I would agree with it.
I'm very in tune with Credit Unions. There is a difference.
Money cost money regardless if its a business or individual’s financing homes or whatever.
Who’s responsible for sound fiscal responsibility and/or coaching it?
And of course, the school of hard knocks of which some learn from and others dont.
 
Actually, this is a very uninformed statement. Now if you had said "Some loans are predatory" and "Many are a profit making tool" and "Some institutions use them as a product of coercion which could be construed as morally wrong", then I would agree with it.
I'm very in tune with Credit Unions. There is a difference.
If it charges interest, the loan is predatory. Period.
 
I’ll avoid the puff piece by a liberal outlet trying to convince us all we’re not actually seeing what we’re very clearly seeing.
Typical deflection. Might as well just yelled “Fake News”.
The response was to your statement that this has never been the case until now.
Of course you cannot actually admit you are wrong on all accounts.
 
There’s no excuse for many of the stupid things Trump has said or done. Those things don’t negate Biden’s cognitive decline though. We’re talking about the current President in a time where there is a lot of uncertainty in the world. It’s not out of line to bring it up.
I in no way am implying that questioning Biden's cognitive state is out of line. It is a very valid concern, just as it was with Trump. There's been a great deal of uncertainty in this world for decades. The pandemic was a prime example, and Trump's inability or unwillingness to understand the ramifications only made it worse. Which makes Biden's gaffes that much more concerning going forward. There needs to be an age limit on the presidency, Congress and the Supreme Court. Maybe then, unless there is a case of early onset dementia, we won't have these concerns. But seriously trying to be as objective as possible, Joe Biden seems capable of running rings around Donald Trump in a cognitive awareness contest.....and that ain't sayin' shit.....
 
I in no way am implying that questioning Biden's cognitive state is out of line. It is a very valid concern, just as it was with Trump. There's been a great deal of uncertainty in this world for decades. The pandemic was a prime example, and Trump's inability or unwillingness to understand the ramifications only made it worse. Which makes Biden's gaffes that much more concerning going forward. There needs to be an age limit on the presidency, Congress and the Supreme Court. Maybe then, unless there is a case of early onset dementia, we won't have these concerns. But seriously trying to be as objective as possible, Joe Biden seems capable of running rings around Donald Trump in a cognitive awareness contest.....and that ain't sayin' shit.....
Bingo. Biden is so much more capable than Trump it isn't even worth the comparison.

And I can't stand Biden.
 
If it charges interest, the loan is predatory. Period.
Not sure I agree totally. Sure there are predatory loans and people who are looking to rip people off.
But as a consumer if I agree to purchase a home and finance that home at an agreed upon interest for a certain length of time, I am in fact agreeing to pay for the cost of money. When I go to Costco or a gas station or a Blazer game and agree to make a purchase either from cash or credit card, I realize that someone is profiting off my purchase and also helping pay someone wages. I have zero problem paying for a product or service if I feel Im getting what I wanted in return. Id someone fucks me over I have other options where to spend my money and learn form my experience.
If we are paying interest on a loan we don't achieve true ownership till it's paid off.
If I go out and rack up credit cards and spend my income foolishly or elect not to pay bills when due, thats no ones fault but my own.
We do have the freedom to choose how our income is used. Interest is no different than someone profiting from any purchase.
 
Not sure I agree totally. Sure there are predatory loans and people who are looking to rip people off.
But as a consumer if I agree to purchase a home and finance that home at an agreed upon interest for a certain length of time, I am in fact agreeing to pay for the cost of money. When I go to Costco or a gas station or a Blazer game and agree to make a purchase either from cash or credit card, I realize that someone is profiting off my purchase and also helping pay someone wages. I have zero problem paying for a product or service if I feel Im getting what I wanted in return. Id someone fucks me over I have other options where to spend my money and learn form my experience.
If we are paying interest on a loan we don't achieve true ownership till it's paid off.
If I go out and rack up credit cards and spend my income foolishly or elect not to pay bills when due, thats no ones fault but my own.
We do have the freedom to choose how our income is used. Interest is no different than someone profiting from any purchase.

Why do you have zero problem with profit?
 
Why do you have zero problem with profit?
I dont expect all the products and service at no cost, but I do expect a fair competitive price. Profit covers cost materials/capital, wages, taxes and what's left over can be either saved, invested and/or spent which supports another sector/industry/person.
If NBA owners were not profitable form huge TV contracts, players wouldn't be making the millions they do. This site probably wouldn't exist.
 
Sanders Blasts Senate's 'Strange Priorities' as It Advances Corporate Welfare

"We can't extend the child tax credit to combat child poverty," said the Vermont senator. "But somehow, we can provide a massive amount of corporate welfare to a handful of corporations."

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2...ange-priorities-it-advances-corporate-welfare


Bernie Flames Dems Giving Corporate Tax Breaks




Democrats are handing out corporate welfare while Americans can't get help up to get up off of the sidewalk. We live in a dystopian world... of our own governments making.
 

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