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Assuming what you say about immigration and drugs is true, why did Republicans kill border bill that was almost entirely Republican bill? And what exactly will Trump do to solve problems? What did he do in four years?

Because it was saddled with a bunch of Ukraine funding that a majority of Americans do not want to pay for. I think we all know how these bills work. They are crammed with both sides garbage that the opposing sides can’t agree on. It’s a sham. It’s amazing to me people still get in finger pointing matches over it when its so obviously flawed.
 
Assuming what you say about immigration and drugs is true, why did Republicans kill border bill that was almost entirely Republican bill? And what exactly will Trump do to solve problems? What did he do in four years?

Because Trump told them too. He needs the issue for the election, not that it was going away. But, he can't have Biden doing something about it during election year.
 
Because it was saddled with a bunch of Ukraine funding that a majority of Americans do not want to pay for. I think we all know how these bills work. They are crammed with both sides garbage that the opposing sides can’t agree on. It’s a sham. It’s amazing to me people still get in finger pointing matches over it when its so obviously flawed.
Got any actual facts to back up your assertion? Despite the right wind media's campaign to "prove" otherwise, Republicans/MAGAts are still a minority in this country. And while some on the left oppose funding to Ukraine, I think it is a very grand leap to say that the majority of Americans oppose it.
 
I can't imagine going through the last 8 years and saying "they both have their warts" in regards to the current presidential campaign, and then siding with Trump.
 
Assuming what you say about immigration and drugs is true, why did Republicans kill border bill that was almost entirely Republican bill? And what exactly will Trump do to solve problems? What did he do in four years?

It wasn't a great bill for one, but I also believe there is some of Trump wanting to get this done during his term if he gets elected again. Biden had the full house and the presidency for the first 2 years of his term and it did nothing but get massively worse. As I said, it's been a problem for years, but it is getting exponentially worse. And the stuff about immigration and drugs is probably even worse than I have stated. The amount of fentanyl that comes into this country through the southern border is insane and that stuff is so powerful. There was a drug bust of just what was in the back of a vehicle. I asked a very well respected Dr what that would do. He told me how many doses that would be for what they use it medically for.

Basically it would be all they would need till the end of time and then some. It is so potent and what it is doing to the youth and society is crumbling in nature.
 
It wasn't a great bill for one, but I also believe there is some of Trump wanting to get this done during his term if he gets elected again. Biden had the full house and the presidency for the first 2 years of his term and it did nothing but get massively worse. As I said, it's been a problem for years, but it is getting exponentially worse. And the stuff about immigration and drugs is probably even worse than I have stated. The amount of fentanyl that comes into this country through the southern border is insane and that stuff is so powerful. There was a drug bust of just what was in the back of a vehicle. I asked a very well respected Dr what that would do. He told me how many doses that would be for what they use it medically for.

Basically it would be all they would need till the end of time and then some. It is so potent and what it is doing to the youth and society is crumbling in nature.

U.S. Citizens Were 89% of Convicted Fentanyl Traffickers in 2022

  • Fentanyl smuggling is ultimately funded by U.S. consumers who pay for illicit opioids: nearly 99 percent of whom are U.S. citizens.
  • In 2022, U.S. citizens were 89 percent of convicted fentanyl drug traffickers—12 times greater than convictions of illegal immigrants for the same offense.
  • In 2023, 93 percent of fentanyl seizures occurred at legal crossing points or interior vehicle checkpoints, not on illegal migration routes, so U.S. citizens (who are subject to less scrutiny) when crossing legally are the best smugglers.
  • The location of smuggling makes sense because hard drugs at ports of entry are at least 96 percent less likely to be stopped than people crossing illegally between them.
  • At most, just 0.009 percent of the people arrested by Border Patrol for crossing illegally possessed any fentanyl whatsoever.
  • Each individual busted for fentanyl by Border Patrol possessed, on average, half as much fentanyl as each person busted at ports of entry in 2023 (10 versus 20 pounds).
  • The government exacerbated the problem by banning most legal cross‐border traffic in 2020 and 2021, accelerating a switch to fentanyl (the easiest‐to‐conceal drug).
  • During the travel restrictions, fentanyl seizures at ports quadrupled from fiscal year 2019 to 2021. Fentanyl went from a third of combined heroin and fentanyl seizures to over 90 percent.
  • Annual deaths from fentanyl nearly doubled from 2019 to 2021 after the government banned most travel (and asylum).
U.S. Citizens Are Fentanyl Traffickers

Fentanyl is primarily trafficked by U.S. citizens. The U.S. Sentencing Commission publishes data on all federal convictions, which includes demographic information on individuals convicted of fentanyl trafficking. Figure 1 shows the citizenship status of fentanyl traffickers for 2018 to 2022. Every year, U.S. citizens receive the most convictions by far. In 2022, U.S. citizens accounted for 89 percent of fentanyl trafficking convictions compared to just 8.9 percent for illegal immigrants.

https://www.cato.org/blog/us-citizens-were-89-convicted-fentanyl-traffickers-2022
 
The jobs number particularly have to be taken in context. Yes, under Biden a lot of jobs have come back....after Governors told people they couldn't go to work or would be fired if they didn't get the vaccine. Now that those people are going back to work, they are being counted as 'added' jobs which they are not, they are in most cases, people returning to work. And under the same guise, Trump having 'lost' jobs due to Governors telling people they couldn't go to work seems a bit disingenuous.

They both have warts, but I try to look at both in a bigger picture overall and where we stand as a whole. The border and drugs is a MASSIVE issue. It has been an issue under every President in decades, but it has exploded exponentially during this administration and it is not for the better.
Maybe Trump shouldn't have ignored COVID as a threat... That probably had a more direct impact than anything else any other president has done in most of our lifetimes.
 
I can't imagine going through the last 8 years and saying "they both have their warts" in regards to the current presidential campaign, and then siding with Trump.
My uncle (really smart and capable guy) actually told me that once Trump gets in there he'll fix everything.

I was like, "Um, no thanks."

He was shocked at my response and said sarcastically "Oh, because things were so bad when he was in office, right?"

I just... Couldn't... I was so shocked. And I don't visit with him often so I just said it was a miserable 4 years that we're still paying for today, and that my minority wife and family feels much safer today than they did then under Trump. And moved on.

Thing is, he was a truck driver and listened to talk radio. MAGA has that group locked in.
 
It wasn't a great bill for one, but I also believe there is some of Trump wanting to get this done during his term if he gets elected again. Biden had the full house and the presidency for the first 2 years of his term and it did nothing but get massively worse. As I said, it's been a problem for years, but it is getting exponentially worse. And the stuff about immigration and drugs is probably even worse than I have stated. The amount of fentanyl that comes into this country through the southern border is insane and that stuff is so powerful. There was a drug bust of just what was in the back of a vehicle. I asked a very well respected Dr what that would do. He told me how many doses that would be for what they use it medically for.

Basically it would be all they would need till the end of time and then some. It is so potent and what it is doing to the youth and society is crumbling in nature.
couple of things...I think you hold a false equivlency when comparing political parties and if you research a bit, you'll see that the GOP has done nothing for the country besides scrap civil rights, women's rights, and the seperation of church an state in favor of authoritarian, secular govt by either monarch or dictator. I've lived on the border of Mexico in the early 70s and two of my ex brother in laws worked for the border patrol....Trump's "Mexico will pay for the wall did nothing for border security and if you are taking the political views of ex pats living in Mexico as the temperature of Mexican sentiment...I think you're making a big mistake. We have a DEA, Border patrol ane Coast Guard who now thanks to Trump's politicizing of the issue is stopping cross the aisle legislation from clearing the docket of immigrant petitions and funding our existing branches of border protection. People were overdosing from drugs coming in from Vietnam, Mexico, South America and Canada when i was young and it was funded and organized by organized crime...not a political party. Mexico has ignored these refugee caravans by buying off their own cops...if you choose to spend your expendable income in Mexico...you are supporting their corrupt government in fact. I have no trust in the GOP to uphold democracy, equal rights and religious freedoms or protect our natutal alliances throughout the globe....we're not built to be an isolationist nation nor a segregated nation. Trump is a compulsive liar, cheat and beyond that....not capable of governing....he blew our national debt out of the water and embarrased our nation. You will vote for your choice, I only hope it's not the worst president ever to hold office who's a convicted sexual predator and tax evader. Trump talks a lot of bullshit but Joe gets infrastructure bills and civil rights legislation done. He did a miraculous job cleaning up from the global pandemic. I don't care if you believe in getting vaxxed or not. We've been in much better shape since the insurrectionists have been held accountable....I believe we'll heal as a nation as soon as the MAGA movement is removed from the halls of government and the leaders are jailed or exiled. No president should coddle the worst dictators on the planet and Trump does just that. Fuck Trump...vote for democracy and equal rights. I only take the time to post this because I think you're a good dude Larry and maybe you've been misled a bit by expats or general locals who see us as ugly 'Americans. I've been an expat seeing America from afar and it does look different but I've learned never to judge a culture by it's expats. I wish we had better choices but the one we face in the next election is a no brainer. The GOP is sowing seeds of distrust in our justice system now that they've stacked the Supreme Court. This is how political coups happen...sow distrust in the press and the justice department and then stir up anger amongst the mob.
 
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Trump is a lying waste of space. On the same hand, so is Biden. Anyone who believes a word either of these two say, has made themselves willfully ignorant and dumb.

While you tongue your party's ass. Don't forget: The game is rigged in favor of our oligarchy. Our government, both party's helped to rig it in their favor. Medication is way too high priced in America, your party isn't changing that. Rent is too high and your party isn't changing that. We are all being spied on when we go online, unless you have an app to avoid it. Your party isn't changing that. I could make a long list of what both party's aren't doing for America, nor for Americans. But... It would be completely meaningless. People refuse to listen while they tongue their party's ass.
 
The border is not why Americans or anyone for that matter is addicted to substances. Prohibition made guys like Joe Kennedy rich running illegal smuggling operations. In my view if there's no profit in drug sales. There will less demand for the stuff. It's been booze, ytobacco, heroin, meth, barbituates, cocaine, and now fentanyl or oxycontin.....I remember the young people sniffing glue in paper bags and looking like zpmbies in the 60s....drugs will not go away with a fence. Addiction needs to be addressed through education and access to rehabilitation. Kids will get high off anything they can get their hands on if they have addictive personalities to begin with.
 
Trump is a lying waste of space. On the same hand, so is Biden. Anyone who believes a word either of these two say, has made themselves willfully ignorant and dumb.

While you tongue your party's ass. Don't forget: The game is rigged in favor of our oligarchy. Our government, both party's helped to rig it in their favor. Medication is way too high priced in America, your party isn't changing that. Rent is too high and your party isn't changing that. We are all being spied on when we go online, unless you have an app to avoid it. Your party isn't changing that. I could make a long list of what both party's aren't doing for America, nor for Americans. But... It would be completely meaningless. People refuse to listen while they tongue their party's ass.
Doesn't matter. Biden is far less damaging and nobody else has a chance. If Biden were to step down history tells us that Trump would likely win.

I hate that these are our choices, but life sucks... No choice but to vote Biden unless you want chaos, unfortunately.
 
The border is not why Americans or anyone for that matter is addicted to substances. Prohibition made guys like Joe Kennedy rich running illegal smuggling operations. In my view if there's no profit in drug sales. There will less demand for the stuff. It's been booze, ytobacco, heroin, meth, barbituates, cocaine, and now fentanyl or oxycontin.....I remember the young people sniffing glue in paper bags and looking like zpmbies in the 60s....drugs will not go away with a fence. Addiction needs to be addressed through education and access to rehabilitation. Kids will get high off anything they can get their hands on if they have addictive personalities to begin with.
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Trump is a lying waste of space. On the same hand, so is Biden. Anyone who believes a word either of these two say, has made themselves willfully ignorant and dumb.

While you tongue your party's ass. Don't forget: The game is rigged in favor of our oligarchy. Our government, both party's helped to rig it in their favor. Medication is way too high priced in America, your party isn't changing that. Rent is too high and your party isn't changing that. We are all being spied on when we go online, unless you have an app to avoid it. Your party isn't changing that. I could make a long list of what both party's aren't doing for America, nor for Americans. But... It would be completely meaningless. People refuse to listen while they tongue their party's ass.
I've asked you half a dozen times but I'll ask again since you've judged my political choice ...who did you vote for in the last election? Just giving you a tongue tasting test here.
 
Trump is a lying waste of space. On the same hand, so is Biden. Anyone who believes a word either of these two say, has made themselves willfully ignorant and dumb.

While you tongue your party's ass. Don't forget: The game is rigged in favor of our oligarchy. Our government, both party's helped to rig it in their favor. Medication is way too high priced in America, your party isn't changing that. Rent is too high and your party isn't changing that. We are all being spied on when we go online, unless you have an app to avoid it. Your party isn't changing that. I could make a long list of what both party's aren't doing for America, nor for Americans. But... It would be completely meaningless. People refuse to listen while they tongue their party's ass.
Most everything you post is a complaint or a searing judgement. Yet you never seem to offer suggestions or solutions. All you want to do is spew negativity. By your lights I guess we should all just curl up in a fetal ball and suck our thumbs. If I even get a response, I suspect it will be in the form of a video that fits your narrative......
 
Most everything you post is a complaint or a searing judgement. Yet you never seem to offer suggestions or solutions. All you want to do is spew negativity. By your lights I guess we should all just curl up in a fetal ball and suck our thumbs. If I even get a response, I suspect it will be in the form of a video that fits your narrative......

He's a fucked if we do, fucked if we don't kind of guy. And, he's not all wrong. Less negativity and complaints and more suggestions and solutions would be nice though.
 
Most everything you post is a complaint or a searing judgement. Yet you never seem to offer suggestions or solutions. All you want to do is spew negativity. By your lights I guess we should all just curl up in a fetal ball and suck our thumbs. If I even get a response, I suspect it will be in the form of a video that fits your narrative......

You went a long way to just say "If you don't offer substance, you're just making noise. "
 
Because it was saddled with a bunch of Ukraine funding that a majority of Americans do not want to pay for. I think we all know how these bills work. They are crammed with both sides garbage that the opposing sides can’t agree on. It’s a sham. It’s amazing to me people still get in finger pointing matches over it when its so obviously flawed.

The finger pointing is so nauseous, id prefer finger pointers to gag themselves with their fingers…
 
The border is not why Americans or anyone for that matter is addicted to substances. Prohibition made guys like Joe Kennedy rich running illegal smuggling operations. In my view if there's no profit in drug sales. There will less demand for the stuff. It's been booze, ytobacco, heroin, meth, barbituates, cocaine, and now fentanyl or oxycontin.....I remember the young people sniffing glue in paper bags and looking like zpmbies in the 60s....drugs will not go away with a fence. Addiction needs to be addressed through education and access to rehabilitation. Kids will get high off anything they can get their hands on if they have addictive personalities to begin with.

Not to argue with ya, but wouldnt no profit make availability less available, due to less people wanting/willing to push?
Addictions are the same regardless of the profit margin, so to me, i would think that addicts would have to go to further lengths to feed their need? I suppose that could go both ways:addicts kicking the habit or addicts breaking more laws to find their substance of choice?

Its been my experience, addicts typically do not kick the habit without help, but go to greater lengths to feed the need, potentially driving up crime in other ways? Less dealers means they can jack the price up due to less competition?
 
I've asked you half a dozen times but I'll ask again since you've judged my political choice ...who did you vote for in the last election? Just giving you a tongue tasting test here.

Most everything you post is a complaint or a searing judgement. Yet you never seem to offer suggestions or solutions. All you want to do is spew negativity. By your lights I guess we should all just curl up in a fetal ball and suck our thumbs. If I even get a response, I suspect it will be in the form of a video that fits your narrative......

To me, he is not wrong though. This two choice bs is feeding both sides, while segregating the masses into drawing a line of battle. We must stop this great two party divide and unit to over come the polarity of today’s society.
 
To me, he is not wrong though. This two choice bs is feeding both sides, while segregating the masses into drawing a line of battle. We must stop this great two party divide and unit to over come the polarity of today’s society.
We must protect our individual civil rights and democracy...if any other GOP candidate not associated with the MAGA cult were running I'd completely agree. Biden is my last choice as a stop gap but he's the only viable stop gap to protect the seperation of church and state and the rights of women and minorities moving forward. I'm a person who tried the 3rd party vote in 2016 and I just refuse to make that mistake again and it's not for partisan reasons but for a pretty big lesser of two evils vote. Joe doesn't threaten the way of life I identify with as an American but Trump definitely does. It's not divisive because of any ideological loyalty, it's divisive because of a horrible con man that must be held accountable. I'd love to be able to be apolitical again but I have grandkids. Choices must be made in my opinion and I've made mine. Nobody has divided the country more than the GOP over the last decade. Working across the aisle for the betterment of the country is a requirement if you want to have a vote in my government. Stopping funding for the border for partisan talking points in an election year as Trump did is a crime against humanity. Nobody should be voting for that. Conservatives shoulld be happy that Trump stacked the Supreme Court....that was a major victory for them.
 
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Not to argue with ya, but wouldnt no profit make availability less available, due to less people wanting/willing to push?
Addictions are the same regardless of the profit margin, so to me, i would think that addicts would have to go to further lengths to feed their need? I suppose that could go both ways:addicts kicking the habit or addicts breaking more laws to find their substance of choice?

Its been my experience, addicts typically do not kick the habit without help, but go to greater lengths to feed the need, potentially driving up crime in other ways? Less dealers means they can jack the price up due to less competition?
Addicts need intervention, they didn't become addicts because of their discipline and will power. I think instead of funneling them into the prison system we should fund rehab centers where they can be supervised to complete getting clean and maybe learn to become a productive member of society again. The program isn't perfect but it can turn some folks around. A lot of sponsors like AA with the 12 step program save a lot of lives. Some junkies are just hell bent on dying the hard way no matter what you do. The cost is tied to the cartels that market the stuff. If it cost what Ibuprofen costs, you wouldn't see such a crime culture around it. You can buy morphine over the counter in many countries that don't have drug problems. You can buy super glue and a paper bag at Home Depot.
 
Not to argue with ya, but wouldnt no profit make availability less available, due to less people wanting/willing to push?
Addictions are the same regardless of the profit margin, so to me, i would think that addicts would have to go to further lengths to feed their need? I suppose that could go both ways:addicts kicking the habit or addicts breaking more laws to find their substance of choice?

Its been my experience, addicts typically do not kick the habit without help, but go to greater lengths to feed the need, potentially driving up crime in other ways? Less dealers means they can jack the price up due to less competition?
The lack of demand drives the price down.

The lack of demand comes from having access to actual care rather than trying to self medicate.

Look at weed in Oregon. It's dirt cheap now. Why would anybody buy black on market weed? You get better stuff, more conveniently, with no risk.

No cartels are moving weed into Oregon.
 
The lack of demand drives the price down.

The lack of demand comes from having access to actual care rather than trying to self medicate.

Look at weed in Oregon. It's dirt cheap now. Why would anybody buy black on market weed? You get better stuff, more conveniently, with no risk.

No cartels are moving weed into Oregon.

Addicts need intervention, they didn't become addicts because of their discipline and will power. I think instead of funneling them into the prison system we should fund rehab centers where they can be supervised to complete getting clean and maybe learn to become a productive member of society again. The program isn't perfect but it can turn some folks around. A lot of sponsors like AA with the 12 step program save a lot of lives. Some junkies are just hell bent on dying the hard way no matter what you do. The cost is tied to the cartels that market the stuff. If it cost what Ibuprofen costs, you wouldn't see such a crime culture around it. You can buy morphine over the counter in many countries that don't have drug problems. You can buy super glue and a paper bag at Home Depot.

Forgive me if im wrong, but it wasnt about lack of demand. It was about the lack of dealers or options that i was focusing on. yes, lack of demand drives costs down. But demand must be diminished first and that wasn't the post i responded to.
Maybe i misunderstood make drugs valueless? I thought you were saying removing the cartel will reduce drug prices? I think removing the cartel would increase drug prices, because they would be harder to get.

I don't disagree that there needs to be more help for the addicted, but without that, prices go up, not down, when options are diminished.
Without first diminishing the demand, removing options will drive costs up and make it harder for addicts to get the substance, causing them to go to extreme measures to do so.
Just my opinion, based on historical supply and demand of commodities in this country.
 
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The lack of demand drives the price down.

The lack of demand comes from having access to actual care rather than trying to self medicate.

Look at weed in Oregon. It's dirt cheap now. Why would anybody buy black on market weed? You get better stuff, more conveniently, with no risk.

No cartels are moving weed into Oregon.

Weed isn't dirt cheap due to a diminished demand. Its dirt cheap due to an excess of supply and east accessibility. Dispensaries on every corner.
The post i responded to was about removing the supply?

prohibition drove the cost and associated crime of alcohol up. Not down. Removing options for drugs does the same thing, no?
 
Weed isn't dirt cheap due to a diminished demand. Its dirt cheap due to an excess of supply and east accessibility. Dispensaries on every corner.
The post i responded to was about removing the supply?

prohibition drove the cost and associated crime of alcohol up. Not down. Removing options for drugs does the same thing, no?
The post you were responding to was about making the drugs and treatment people need available legally. Which would increase supply infinitely.

Which would reduce demand on the black market.

Same thing.
 
Forgive me if im wrong, but it wasnt about lack of demand. It was about the lack of dealers or options that i was focusing on. yes, lack of demand drives costs down. But demand must be diminished first and that wasn't the post i responded to.
Maybe i misunderstood make drugs valueless? I thought you were saying removing the cartel will reduce drug prices? I think removing the cartel would increase drug prices, because they would be harder to get.

I don't disagree that there needs to be more help for the addicted, but without that, prices go up, not down, when options are diminished.
Without first diminishing the demand, removing options will drive costs up and make it harder for addicts to get the substance, causing them to go to extreme measures to do so.
Just my opinion, based on historical supply and demand of commodities in this country.
It's all about the services. Having the services reduces the demand.
 
The post you were responding to was about making the drugs and treatment people need available legally. Which would increase supply infinitely.

Which would reduce demand on the black market.

Same thing.

ahh understood. My apologies @riverman. it read to me like you were saying if we remove the sources it would lower the costs.
I don't necessarily agree with legalizing all drugs, but do agree we need better resources to help addicts kick the habit and then preventative measures to better educate the youth to avoid them turning to drugs for answers to their problems. Some of this is on the parents and some of it is providing parents with these tools to optimally arm them, to deal with the issues and find other solutions with their kids.

getting kids involved in sports and music at an early age has proven to be largely successful in this. I was very saddened to hear my old high school no longer has a music program and had dropped a few sports programs. The continual decrease in funding these programs like debate clubs, fully funded sports programs and music programs, i think, directly correlates to the youth getting involved in the wrong things after school.

I do believe these programs must be instilled first, prior to removing the source of drugs or it would be putting the cart before the horse and would likely backfire, much like the legalization of possession of small amounts of drugs somewhat backfired on Portland recently.

I think we are generally on the same page. :cheers:
 
Eric Swalwell questions Hunter Biden:

Here’s Swalwell’s exchange with Hunter Biden, according to the transcript released Thursday.

SWALWELL: Any time your father was in government, prior to the Presidency or before, did he ever operate a hotel?

BIDEN: No, he has never operated a hotel.

SWALWELL: So he’s never operated a hotel where foreign nationals spent millions at that hotel while he was in office?

BIDEN: No, he has not.

SWALWELL: Did your father ever employ in the Oval Office any direct family member to also work in the Oval Office?

BIDEN: My father has never employed any direct family members, to my knowledge.

SWALWELL: While your father was President, did anyone in the family receive 41 trademarks from China?

BIDEN: No.

SWALWELL: As President and the leader of the party, has your father ever tried to install as the chairperson of the party a daughter-in-law or anyone else in the family?

BIDEN: No. And I don’t think that anyone in my family would be crazy enough to want to be the chairperson of the DNC.

SWALWELL: Has your father ever in his time as an adult been fined $355 million by any State that he worked in?

BIDEN: No, he has not, thank God.

SWALWELL: Anyone in your family ever strike a multibillion dollar deal with the Saudi Government while your father was in office?

BIDEN: No.

SWALWELL: That’s all I’ve got.

Touche!

This guy is trolling, AND I LOVE IT.
 
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