We got the #3 pick. Discuss the possibilities. (2 Viewers)

[blazerkor]

Cronin literally said he's ready to be a starting 2 now.

I agree with Joe. What was the difference between what Shaedon showed at the end of last season and what Ant showed the season before. Both guys have shown they can look really good as number one options while losing. Ant showed it at PG and got the starting SG nod. Shae actually showed it at the position that we're talking about him starting at.

 

[Strenuus]

Magic open to moving No. 6 and 11 picks to move into Top 5?
There’s a belief around the league that Orlando is open to moving the No. 6 and No. 11 picks if the Magic can move into the 3-5 range.

I'm having Zach Collins flashbacks lol

 

[TBpup]

As we always say the draft is a crap shoot, but the decision should come down to who has the best chance to be the best player in the draft outside of Victor. Average players can be found elsewhere. We can always find x-lottery picks (we picked up 3 last season) So unless Ausar, Henricks, Lively, or LMiller can wind up as good as Scoot or BMiller then I lean toward keeping 3.

Now I did say earlier I would prefer Wagner and #6 for #3, so that might sound hypocritical, but the difference in my mind is that Franz is proven, and not as much of a question mark as the 4 examples you named.

This is a supposedly one of the deepest Drafts in a long time. If this was next year's Draft, I'd say go with #3. But I'm not sure there is that great of a difference between 3 and 6 if it is Miller. If it is Scoot, I think he has a higher ceiling, but again, when is the last time a 6'2" ball dominant, scoring PG led their team to a championship? It just doesn't happen. So Scoot may be a great player like Dame, but not produce much in terms of team results. If I could get an Ausar Thompson who reminds me of a young Scottie Pippen, or a Taylor Hendricks who is a very good shooter with great length, AND another asset that has the makings of a solid piece, I'm going to trust that Schmitz will get us the right player and we have 2 pieces instead of 1.

do you think Scoot or Miller could potentially be that superstar? If so think we have to hang on to the pick. Personally feel like Scoot has that potential not sure Miller does so if Hornets take Scoot I would definitely consider the trade with Orlando.

As posted, I think Scoot could be that media superstar player. Lots of highlights, tons of stats, but historically, not the type of player that leads a team to rings. Miller I think has a lower ceiling, but could actually be exactly the type of player that contributes to a title team.....wing shooter who can defend. Neither IMO, could be the best player on a title winning team. Which is why I'm open to getting multiple somewhat similar pieces instead of just one.

 

[B-Roy]

Zion for Scoot?

 

[Natebishop3]

how many short, ball dominant, scoring PG's lead their team to an NBA Title.

I don't think it's fair to call him that.

The guy plays remarkably well off the ball.

Here are some key stats:

Scoot
2FGM %AST - 35.6%
2FGM %UAST - 64.4%
3FGM %AST - 42.9%
3FGM %UAST - 57.1
FGM %AST - 36.5%
FGM %UAST - 63.5%

Dame
2FGM %AST - 15.7%
2FGM %UAST - 84.3%
3FGM %AST - 51.6%
3FGM %UAST - 48.4%
FGM %AST - 31.5%
FGM %UAST - 68.5%

In terms of 2 pointers vs 3 pointers

Scoot
%FGA 2pt - 81%
%FGA 3pg - 19%
%PTS 2PT - 64.3%
%PTS 2PT MR - 19.7% (mid range points)
%PTS 3PT - 13.4%
%PTS FBPS - 14.3% (fast break points)

Dame
%FGA 2pt - 45.3%
%FGA 3pg - 54.7%
%PTS 2PT - 33.4%
%PTS 2PT MR - 6% (mid range points)
%PTS 3PT - 39.2%
%PTS FBPS - 8.6% (fast break points)

So 81% of Scoots shots are from 2 pt range, and he is assisted on 35.6% of those shots.
Dame only attempts 45.3% of his shots from 2 pt range and is assisted on 15.7% of those shots.

Dame, to me, is the very definition of a ball dominant guard. I don't think Scoot is, and I think he would play VERY well with Sharpe.

 

[illmatic99]

Zion for Scoot?

I would trade 3 for Ingram. Not for Zion.

 

[Blazinaway]

I'm having Zach Collins flashbacks lol

Not me, I think after Wemby, then Scoot, its wide open for many spots after that, and I include Brando Miller in that large 3rd tier, he does not impress me, so 6 and 11 and an Orlando player might work for me

 

[BankTeller]

3 and Simons for 6 and 11 and Wagner or 3 and Nas for 6, 11 and WC jr. Make salaries work

Use 6, 11 and something to get another player like Siakam

Sign Naz Reid

Theoretically

Dame
Sharpe
Wagner
Siakam
Nurk


Dame
Sharpe
Grant
Siakam
Nurk

guys like Grant, Carter, Reid, Thybulle, Reddish whatever off the bench. Need to replace Nurk in line up, but probably need to trade him to do that

- I'm leaning towards not trading for Siakam at all because I am not willing to give him an extension for probably $40m/year. Grant is also not going to come off the bench. You talk about Grant coming off the bench, and he'll dip as you blink.
- If Masai isn't taking Ant and #3, he's not going to take #6 and #11.

I'm going to assume the Simons for Wagner swap isn't on the table because they're not going to trade for Ant and then also add Scoot. If we get #6 and #11 and WCJ for Nas, I would rather draft two guys than try to find immediate impacts. Draft Ausar at #6 and Lively at #11, then try getting someone like DFS from BRK for Nurk and #23.

Dame/Ant/Mays
Ant/Sharpe/Thybulle/Mays
DFS/Ausar/Thybulle
Grant/Watford/Walker
WCJ/Reid/Lively

I don't think this team is any worse than the two teams with those starters that you've highlighted. There is no one on that bench that I can bet on to grow with this franchise and become a fixture here.

 

[Pinwheel1]

I would trade 3 for Ingram. Not for Zion.

So tempting though. Like I said before "Super High Risk and Super High Reward" for Zion.
He still only makes 13 million at the moment, so the matching salary is almost nothing.
If he can come here in shape, (I know that is a big if) then we are instant contenders. He has that ability.
Color me crazy, but I would risk it.

 

[illmatic99]

So tempting though. Like I said before "Super High Risk and Super High Reward" for Zion.
He still only makes 13 million at the moment, so the matching salary is almost nothing.
If he can come here in shape, (I know that is a big if) then we are instant contenders. He has that ability.
Color me crazy, but I would risk it.

Have you seen the news about him this week?

 

[wizenheimer]

just Say no to Zion...he's the Pels dead-weight-anchor...don't solve their problem with a 3rd pick

 

[Pinwheel1]

Have you seen the news about him this week?

I briefly saw what the gold digger tweeted out. But I missed the rest. What happened?

 

[Natebishop3]

just Say no to Zion...he's the Pels dead-weight-anchor...don't solve their problem with a 3rd pick

I know this is crazy, but I would rather take Ben Simmons over Zion. They're both batshit crazy but at least Simmons was consistently good for a period of time. That's only if I had to take one or the other.

 

[Natebishop3]

I briefly saw what the gold digger tweeted out. But I missed the rest. What happened?

I saw on Reddit that he had a girlfriend, got a side piece and then knocked up the side piece. The side piece didn't know that she was a side piece. Everything is blowing up.

 

[Pinwheel1]

I saw on Reddit that he had a girlfriend, got a side piece and then knocked up the side piece. The side piece didn't know that she was a side piece. Everything is blowing up.

So in other words, nothing unusual for the NBA?

 

[TBpup]

I don't think it's fair to call him that.

The guy plays remarkably well off the ball.

Here are some key stats:

Scoot
2FGM %AST - 35.6%
2FGM %UAST - 64.4%
3FGM %AST - 42.9%
3FGM %UAST - 57.1
FGM %AST - 36.5%
FGM %UAST - 63.5%

Dame
2FGM %AST - 15.7%
2FGM %UAST - 84.3%
3FGM %AST - 51.6%
3FGM %UAST - 48.4%
FGM %AST - 31.5%
FGM %UAST - 68.5%

In terms of 2 pointers vs 3 pointers

Scoot
%FGA 2pt - 81%
%FGA 3pg - 19%
%PTS 2PT - 64.3%
%PTS 2PT MR - 19.7% (mid range points)
%PTS 3PT - 13.4%
%PTS FBPS - 14.3% (fast break points)

Dame
%FGA 2pt - 45.3%
%FGA 3pg - 54.7%
%PTS 2PT - 33.4%
%PTS 2PT MR - 6% (mid range points)
%PTS 3PT - 39.2%
%PTS FBPS - 8.6% (fast break points)

So 81% of Scoots shots are from 2 pt range, and he is assisted on 35.6% of those shots.
Dame only attempts 45.3% of his shots from 2 pt range and is assisted on 15.7% of those shots.

Dame, to me, is the very definition of a ball dominant guard. I don't think Scoot is, and I think he would play VERY well with Sharpe.

Appreciate the breakdown. Hadn't dug that deeply into his stats and only watched highlights. If he could be an explosive player with the ball who could play off it at times, that would add a dimension and makes the team better......and no matter whom we have/get/draft/trade for, that is the goal. No player is bigger than the team. Sadly, it feels a bit that way right now.

 

[illmatic99]

I briefly saw what the gold digger tweeted out. But I missed the rest. What happened?

Has potentially two baby mama dramas and looks as out of shape as ever. I don't want him. Seems as if he has too many distractions or NO wouldn't be trading him. It should give us pause that this supposedly otherworldly talent is on the market.

 

[illmatic99]

Nothing new here but again...

 

[Pinwheel1]

Has potentially two baby mama dramas and looks as out of shape as ever. I don't want him. Seems as if he has too many distractions or NO wouldn't be trading him. It should give us pause that this supposedly otherworldly talent is on the market.

I get it. It would be a HUGE gamble. But now would be the time to strike while his salary is low for trade purposes. Nike has a lot invested in him, maybe by being in their back yard they can better influence his diet, while Dame can influence his work ethic. I know I add 5 pounds every time I go to New Orleans for a 3-day conference. That has to be the worst possible city for him to live in.
And he needs to leave one of his girlfriends behind

 

[illmatic99]

I get it. It would be a HUGE gamble. But now would be the time to strike while his salary is low for trade purposes. Nike has a lot invested in him, maybe by being in their back yard they can better influence his diet, while Dame can influence his work ethic. I know I add 5 pounds every time I go to New Orleans for a 3-day conference. That has to be the worst possible city for him to live in.
And he needs to leave of of his girlfriends behind

4 yrs in the league and a max contract ... And still not professional enough to maintain his conditioning? Too many red flags for me

 

[Natebishop3]

4 yrs in the league and a max contract ... And still not professional enough to maintain his conditioning? Too many red flags for me

Man... forget a red FLAG... how about a red CARD?

 

[BankTeller]

I get it. It would be a HUGE gamble. But now would be the time to strike while his salary is low for trade purposes. Nike has a lot invested in him, maybe by being in their back yard they can better influence his diet, while Dame can influence his work ethic. I know I add 5 pounds every time I go to New Orleans for a 3-day conference. That has to be the worst possible city for him to live in.
And he needs to leave of of his girlfriends behind

No to Zion.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

Braun's playoff averages:

MPG - 12.2
PPG - 3.1
RPG - 2.1
APG - 0.6

https://www.espn.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/4431767/type/nba/seasontype/3

He had some blah games early.

 

[illmatic99]

think i'm making up my mind on our workflow with the pick.

1. Trade it with salary for the best player available (this considers contract, age, positional fit. Bridges/Siakam/Brown/KAT are just some names).

if nothing manifests...

2. Take Scoot if Charlotte takes Miller and trade Ant for a wing.

if we're left with Miller et al...

3. Trade down for multiple assets and thread the needle to get an above average starter and clear up a runway for Sharpe while also getting an asset to use on a young guy. Get 6 + 11 or 4 + 20 + etc, and move secondary asset for vet who fits, while keeping the other pick for us.

 

[STOMP]

3. Trade down for multiple assets and thread the needle to get an above average starter and clear up a runway for Sharpe while also getting an asset to use on a young guy. Get 6 + 11 or 4 + 20 + etc, and move secondary asset for vet who fits, while keeping the other pick for us.

This is my best guess, likely they'll combine the secondary asset attained with #23 and/or a salary to attain the vet. There will be some impact players available after the 3rd pick... I see value there

STOMP

 

[Travis Demers]

SHARPE TO SHARP FOR THE JAM

SHARP TO SHARPE FOR THE JAM

Person listening on the radio: WHO TO WHO? @Travis Demers nightmare

could be worse. Could be OKC with the 2 Jaylen Williams

 

[Sheldon Shape]

I don't think Scoot will be there for Portland at 3.

I wouldn't mind just drafting Brandon Miller and using Nurk/Simons/picks/free agency to get some immediate help.

I would do Nurk + Little for Ayton since Miller is on a rookie contract for some time. I would be willing to give up Miller and change for Mikael Bridges but I'm not fond of the other options.

This looks good for a starting 5...

Dame
Sharpe
Grant
Miller
Ayton

Maybe you start Bruce Brown after you get him in FA and bring Miller off the bench.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

The Blazers thinking it’s a good idea to pair Dame with Scoot might be the only thing that would make me angrier than trading 3 for Levine, or Some bullshit like that, thinking that will change our fate

I guess it depends what you mean by good idea.

If the plan is to try and win a title next year yeah it's bad.

But if the team thinks they don't have good offers for either Dame/Scoot in trades and want to see how those players develop with Sharpe and what trades later become available if could be the best path to take.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

I guess it depends what you mean by good idea.

If the plan is to try and win a title next year yeah it's bad.

But if the team thinks they don't have good offers for either Dame/Scoot in trades and want to see how those players develop with Sharpe and what trades later become available if could be the best path to take.

Draft scoot.
Trade Ant for OG. Maybe get a pick back.
Pick up a backup big with the mle.
Go into next year and see what is missing.
I think Dame remains if we do that and knows we will try to find the missing pieces by next trade deadline.

 

[TBpup]

Draft scoot.
Trade Ant for OG. Maybe get a pick back.
Pick up a backup big with the mle.
Go into next year and see what is missing.
I think Dame remains if we do that and knows we will try to find the missing pieces by next trade deadline.

We won't get a pick back with OG for Ant, but the general idea might be where the teams is headed.