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crandc said:
Good thing @Road Ratt has no credibility because he would have lost it with Hitler/Biden comparison.

Hitler wasn't so bad. He was a lot like Biden!

Protesting Israeli policy in Gaza is not Jew hating. Whitewashing Hitler is.

Don't give this bullshit about can't control emotions. A fifth grader knows better. Or should.
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Face palm. Are we ignoring the fact the left has been calling Trump and, in some cases, anyone who lean’s conservative “LITTERALAY HITLARRRRR!” for the last 8 or so years? And you are going to feign outrage over a parody video? You simply can’t be taken seriously with this one.
 
AmirIcon said:
It is in the Republican party. Despite the party's best efforts to rid themselves of Trump, the voter base wanted him and got him.
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And the (democrat run) DOJ is being weaponized to try and take that choice away from those same people in the general election. It’s painfully obvious. People can be fine with that too of they want, call it a win, call it revenge or ‘saving America’, just dont call it democracy or anything that resembles it. That ship sails when your leaders are chosen for you.
 
AmirIcon said:
It is in the Republican party. Despite the party's best efforts to rid themselves of Trump, the voter base wanted him and got him.
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Obama took the Dems. Make enough bullshit promises and you can trick enough people to follow you to overcome the system on either side. But you have to be a hell of a salesman.

Bernie wasn't crooked enough.
 
jonnyboy said:
And the (democrat run) DOJ is being weaponized to try and take that choice away from those same people in the general election. It’s painfully obvious. People can be fine with that too of they want, call it a win, call it revenge or ‘saving America’, just dont call it democracy or anything that resembles it. That ship sails when your leaders are chosen for you.
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That has been a bipartisan effort.
 
I like how it's a democratic witch hunt, with most of the witnesses being people who worked for Trump or are Republicans.
 
Airline industry filed federal lawsuit to block new administration rules that require them to inform customers up front about all fees. Industry said it would confuse customers to have too much information.
 
jonnyboy said:
And the (democrat run) DOJ is being weaponized to try and take that choice away from those same people in the general election. It’s painfully obvious. People can be fine with that too of they want, call it a win, call it revenge or ‘saving America’, just dont call it democracy or anything that resembles it. That ship sails when your leaders are chosen for you.
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Nonsense. The choice isn't being taken away from you. You will be completely free to vote for the felon if you wish.

barfo
 
barfo said:
Nonsense. The choice isn't being taken away from you. You will be completely free to vote for the felon if you wish.

barfo
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I think the deck was stacked against Bernie for two elections, the first 2016 with a coronation for the chosen one. The second was we cant afford to allow Bernie to run against Trump so lets coronate another.
 
barfo said:
Nonsense. The choice isn't being taken away from you. You will be completely free to vote for the felon if you wish.

barfo
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Is Trump felon? I hadn’t realized a ruling was made on the felony charges.
 
jonnyboy said:
Is Trump felon? I hadn’t realized a ruling was made on the felony charges.
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No question he has committed felonies. Is US law "just" enough to convict a super wealthy politician?

We shall see... Maybe if he had more pigmentation... Even that probably wouldn't matter. It's really about wealth. Race is the lever they use on the poor.
 
Phatguysrule said:
No question he has committed felonies. Is US law "just" enough to convict a super wealthy politician?

We shall see... Maybe if he had more pigmentation...
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Storing the classified documents in his garage next to the corvette was the most obvious.
 
jonnyboy said:
Is Trump felon? I hadn’t realized a ruling was made on the felony charges.
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The trial will be over well before the election. If he's acquitted, he won't be a felon. If he's convicted, he will be a felon, but you'll still be free to vote for him.

barfo
 
Hoopguru said:
I think the deck was stacked against Bernie for two elections, the first 2016 with a coronation for the chosen one. The second was we cant afford to allow Bernie to run against Trump so lets coronate another.
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Bernie could have run in 2024 if he'd wanted to. He chose not to.
Bernie ran in 2020 and lost. Lots of other people ran and lost too. There are no participation trophies, and only one winner.

barfo
 
barfo said:
Bernie could have run in 2024 if he'd wanted to. He chose not to.
Bernie ran in 2020 and lost. Lots of other people ran and lost too. There are no participation trophies, and only one winner.

barfo
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He knows even if he did run and outdebated & out campaigned Joe he would have a deck stacked again against. The media and DNC/rnc decide who they want to endorse. And, if a candidate they dont want to see, becomes a contender, they will do whatever needed to tune public opinion. Thats politics.
 
Hoopguru said:
He knows even if he did run and outdebated & out campaigned Joe he would have a deck stacked again against. The media and DNC/rnc decide who they want to endorse. And, if a candidate they dont want to see, becomes a contender, they will do whatever needed to tune public opinion. Thats politics.
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Not trying to shit on Bernie, I like him a lot.
But it's not some sort of conspiracy, it's the way the system works, and Bernie is well aware of how it works.
He could have spent years kissing Clyburn's butt (and a whole lot of other butts), but he chose not to (or didn't do it well enough).
It's not a conspiracy that a lot of democratic power brokers, elected officials, and donors supported Biden. Biden did the work required to gain that support.
Nor is it a conspiracy when certain voters voted for Biden instead of Bernie, or Andrew Yang, or whoever.
Voters are clearly capable of making choices we don't agree with or that make no sense at all, they do it all the time.
You are absolutely correct, it's politics.

barfo
 
barfo said:
Not trying to shit on Bernie, I like him a lot.
But it's not some sort of conspiracy, it's the way the system works, and Bernie is well aware of how it works.
He could have spent years kissing Clyburn's butt (and a whole lot of other butts), but he chose not to (or didn't do it well enough).
It's not a conspiracy that a lot of democratic power brokers, elected officials, and donors supported Biden. Biden did the work required to gain that support.
Nor is it a conspiracy when certain voters voted for Biden instead of Bernie, or Andrew Yang, or whoever.
Voters are clearly capable of making choices we don't agree with or that make no sense at all, they do it all the time.
You are absolutely correct, it's politics.

barfo
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Bernie chose to be honest and support policies that were actually good for the people. That obviously left him without many powerful friends. Because what is good for the people isn't good for what established powerful people want.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Bernie chose to be honest and support policies that were actually good for the people. That obviously left him without many powerful friends. Because what is good for the people isn't good for what established powerful people want.
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That's fair. But sometimes the way to get good things done for people is to make powerful friends. Politics frequently involves making that sort of compromise.

barfo
 
barfo said:
That's fair. But sometimes the way to get good things done for people is to make powerful friends. Politics frequently involves making that sort of compromise.

barfo
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That's not the way our system is set up, as far as I can tell. You can't do the right thing if you have those friends.

We'll have to change the system first.
 
I don't know how many times I heard from people who wanted to vote for Bernie, but were convinced he couldn't win because the media drilled that in their heads.

That's called manufactured consent and is a party-wide conspiracy. It's true that it's politics as well.

The system has scared people so much that they've got everyone falling in line. Even when all the polling shows a good 70-80% of the country agrees with Bernie's positions.
 
barfo said:
Not trying to shit on Bernie, I like him a lot.
But it's not some sort of conspiracy, it's the way the system works, and Bernie is well aware of how it works.
He could have spent years kissing Clyburn's butt (and a whole lot of other butts), but he chose not to (or didn't do it well enough).
It's not a conspiracy that a lot of democratic power brokers, elected officials, and donors supported Biden. Biden did the work required to gain that support.
Nor is it a conspiracy when certain voters voted for Biden instead of Bernie, or Andrew Yang, or whoever.
Voters are clearly capable of making choices we don't agree with or that make no sense at all, they do it all the time.
You are absolutely correct, it's politics.

barfo
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This is the kind of shit that Im talking about. It's the back room we cant let this happen stuff, which I guess is politics in its finest.

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Phatguysrule said:
That's not the way our system is set up, as far as I can tell. You can't do the right thing if you have those friends.
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If that were an absolute truth nothing good would ever get done. And that's not the case.

We'll have to change the system first.
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As long as we change it in the right direction, I'm in favor :)

barfo
 
barfo said:
If that were an absolute truth nothing good would ever get done. And that's not the case.
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I don't think that's true. You can do something that is good for some people, but hurts more people long term. The right thing is to do the thing that is good for more people now and moving forward.

Choosing not to do that, but do the lesser good for personal gains is wrong.

These are the best "good" actions we get from our current system. We get goods that trade off the possibility of actual health.

You can't do the right thing and be friends with the powers that be. They won't allow that.
 
Phatguysrule said:
I don't think that's true. You can do something that is good for some people, but hurts more people long term. The right thing is to do the thing that is good for more people now and moving forward.

Choosing not to do that, but do the lesser good for personal gains is wrong.

These are the best "good" actions we get from our current system. We get goods that trade off the possibility of actual health.

You can't do the right thing and be friends with the powers that be. They won't allow that.
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So you think that there's absolutely nothing that ever gets done that isn't ultimately good rather than bad?

That's a very pessimistic view.

For example, don't you think that increasing tailpipe emissions standards is a good thing overall, and in the long run helps everyone?

barfo
 
barfo said:
So you think that there's absolutely nothing that ever gets done that isn't ultimately good rather than bad?

That's a very pessimistic view.

For example, don't you think that increasing tailpipe emissions standards is a good thing overall, and in the long run helps everyone?

barfo
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Sorry, I wasn't clear. I don't think that if what I am saying is true that nothing good would ever get done. Some good things could happen, but with current Dem and Republican leadership the overall trend is that more is given to the elite and more is taken from the general population.

Increasing tailpipe emissions standards is a good thing, but if that comes with committing us to (or unnecessarily exposing us to the long term risk of needing to) burn fossil fuels in our cars it is not a good thing, overall.

 
Hoopguru said:
Why is this the case? Is it because more people are in the middle or just sick of being force fed from media and national committees? Are the extremes driving people away from party affiliation? IMO, probably some of each and more.

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The extremes, yes. The alternative is that they are the same. Those are your choices. You get a psycho who wants you to believe they are a wizard (and is somehow capable of getting 30% of the population to enthusiastically agree) or you get a rich person who will smile at you and tell you nice things while they gently bend you over a barrel and violate you, your family and every one of your descendents for at least generations.
 
Hoopguru said:
Why is this the case? Is it because more people are in the middle or just sick of being force fed from media and national committees? Are the extremes driving people away from party affiliation? IMO, probably some of each and more.

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I've never liked the party system. I became non-affiliated back in the 80's. The only complaint that I have is that in Oregon I have no say as to who the candidates in a general election are going to be. Oregon needs to have open primaries. Primary voting should be open to all registered voters. IMO
 
Kano John said:
I've never liked the party system. I became non-affiliated back in the 80's. The only complaint that I have is that in Oregon I have no say as to who the candidates in a general election are going to be. Oregon needs to have open primaries. Primary voting should be open to all registered voters. IMO
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Would you allow people to vote in multiple primaries?
 
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