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First question: who is that?

Second question: why would that matter? President has zero ability to create term limits.

It's like saying you'll vote for the first guy who says every man should get another inch added to their penis.

barfo


1. Nikki Haley

2. Just because something has not yet been done (term limits), doesn't mean that it cannot be done.

3. I have absolutely no need for yet another "1" added ". :bgrin:
 
Against Trump you need an A list celebrity to insure a win. Someone who can charm a crowd and who values the truth. A Tom Hanks or a Michelle Obama would mop the floor with Trump in an election. They don't need to have experience, just popularity. Amy Klobuchar is qualified but unfortunately, not popular. John Stewart could probably beat Trump easily. Then if they win you surround them with top shelf pros who can walk them through the drills.
 
I've already said I'd rather Joe not run again and he wasn't my first choice in 2020 but I could not abide by Trump...and if it comes down to Biden and Trump again next year I'll vote for Biden again.

...I also have not said anything that was mean spirited and flat out hateful...that was you and it was a pretty shitty thing to say.

Huh? What did I say that was mean spirited and hateful?
 
Against Trump you need an A list celebrity to insure a win. Someone who can charm a crowd and who values the truth. A Tom Hanks or a Michelle Obama would mop the floor with Trump in an election. They don't need to have experience, just popularity. Amy Klobuchar is qualified but unfortunately, not popular. John Stewart could probably beat Trump easily. Then if they win you surround them with top shelf pros who can walk them through the drills.

Matthew McConaughey considered running for Texas Governor, bet he would kill it if/when he decides to run.
 
Jesus... no more celebrity presidents please...
Sometimes you have to fight fire with fire but don't tell me Amy Klobuchar is going to poll like Michelle Obama although Amy is more qualified for the job. Unfortunately it's become a popularity contest, not a skills competition. I learned the hard way voting for Johnson against Trump first time around. My bar now is an honest leader even though that sounds like an oxymoron.
 
2. Just because something has not yet been done (term limits), doesn't mean that it cannot be done.

Term limits (for Congress) can be done, but they can't be done by the President. It requires a constitutional amendment.
So anyone running for President who is promising you term limits is pulling your appendage.

3. I have absolutely no need for yet another "1" added ". :bgrin:

But as Johnny Cash sang,

Oh yes, it's true
One and one make two

barfo
 
Term limits (for Congress) can be done, but they can't be done by the President. It requires a constitutional amendment.
So anyone running for President who is promising you term limits is pulling your appendage.

I'm well aware of what it would require and did not claim that a POTUS alone can change the constitution and neither did I claim that Haley "promised" anything, but the POTUS can however run on a platform that will propose/request legislation from Congress. And a depending on which poll you look at, Americans very much favor "term limits" by 60% to 80%...this includes term limits for the legislative branch as well as the judicial. And voters can definitely influence both houses of Congress and the SC, so a POTUS can in fact have an indirect bearing on amendments.

But as Johnny Cash sang,

Oh yes, it's true
One and one make two

Meh,... John Lennon sang "one and one and one is three" but neither song applies to me.

barfo
 
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I would 100% vote for Newsom over Biden, there is an interesting interview of him with gsw's former GM on leadership which is well worth seeking out on YouTube.

He certainly can talk which is something we have not really had since Obama, and while he made mistakes, he freely admits them which is a refreshing trait.
 
I would 100% vote for Newsom over Biden, there is an interesting interview of him with gsw's former GM on leadership which is well worth seeking out on YouTube.

He certainly can talk which is something we have not really had since Obama, and while he made mistakes, he freely admits them which is a refreshing trait.

Yup, that seldom happens...instead of admitting mistakes, most politicians simply try to spin things differently.
 
Gavin Newsom, the governor of the homeless camp named California.

Jesus, Newsom cares about human life about as much as a republican does. You might as well cast your vote for Greg Abbot or Ron DeSantis...
 
California's success and real estate desirability (a governor doing a good job of building the economy) is the main reason for California's homeless issues (it is a lot cheaper to afford housing in bum-fuck choose your moral high-ground shithole state). Now, there would be a reason to chastise Newsom if CA government did not try to address the issue, but he has been working diligently to increase the budget to handle these issues every year, often against pushback from the conservative faction that if you remember, recalled him (very unsuccessfully as the people of CA saw through that ruse) because of grievances that range from frustration with sprawling homeless encampments to soaring housing costs.

California's homeless issue is not because of Newsom, nor is it because he has not championed programs to try and address it (2021-2022 CA budget had $7.2 billion USD for homeless programs).

Newsom was elected governor in 2018, the budget for 2019-202- had about $1B set aside for homeless programs. As we have seen, the budget has increased significantly under Newsom to address these issues. If you think Newsom is the problem with the CA homeless situation, you are talking out of your ass. Simple as that.

If you believe that a governor that fought for the rights of same sex marriage or worked to increase the budget so much to handle homeless issues is the same as a governor that lied to people and children and sent them away to a place no-one knew they were coming as a political stunt with regards to human life, you are either an idiot, woefully uninformed or see the world only in binary terms which is absurd.
 
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Gavin Newsom, the governor of the homeless camp named California.

Jesus, Newsom cares about human life about as much as a republican does. You might as well cast your vote for Greg Abbot or Ron DeSantis...
As long as he'd beat Trump I'd have no choice but to vote for him.

That's really all that matters until the possibility of Trump as president has been removed.

I hate it, but it is what it is. Trump is currently the biggest world threat to all that is good.
 
California's success and real estate desirability (a governor doing a good job of building the economy) is the main reason for California's homeless issues (it is a lot cheaper to afford housing in bum-fuck choose your moral high-ground shithole state). Now, there would be a reason to chastise Newsom if CA government did not try to address the issue, but he has been working diligently to increase the budget to handle these issues every year, often against pushback from the conservative faction that if you remember, recalled him (very unsuccessfully as the people of CA saw through that ruse) because of grievances that range from frustration with sprawling homeless encampments to soaring housing costs.

California's homeless issue is not because of Newsom, nor is it because he has not championed programs to try and address it (2021-2022 CA budget had $7.2 billion USD for homeless programs).

Newsom was elected governor in 2018, the budget for 2019-202- had about $1B set aside for homeless programs. As we have seen, the budget has increased significantly under Newsom to address these issues. If you think Newsom is the problem with the CA homeless situation, you are talking out of your ass. Simple as that.
California has more than enough money to solve their current problem.

$7.2 billion is $41,860 per homeless person in California, every year.

That's more than enough to cover a studio apartment for every homeless person twice over. Even in California.

And that doesn't consider savings for families in multi room apartments...

Something like 90% of homeless in California are from California. And 75% have had an address in the county they're homeless in.

It comes down to leadership. Newsom has the tools to solve this problem in California.

I'm not saying he's the problem, but actually solving the issue would go a long way toward showing he's a capable leader.

If California solved it's homeless problem under Newsom he'd be a shoo in to win the presidency, IMO.
 
As long as he'd beat Trump I'd have no choice but to vote for him.

That's really all that matters until the possibility of Trump as president has been removed.

I hate it, but it is what it is. Trump is currently the biggest world threat to all that is good.

With America's two party system this corrupt, Biden is only slowing down our collapse. This two party tyranny must end.

If America ends up with Trump again, it will be the democrats present to America for believing in them. Since they couldn't stop Trump from running somehow.

I keep hearing about Trump being barred from running. We have yet to see that happen. Personally, I think the democrats want to run against Trump. If you have seen the polls. We should all fear this, more than most seem to do now.

Instead of being barred yet. The democrats played their cards out long enough to drag Trump's crimes into an election year. This seems to be their only play to get your votes. Scare your ass with the big orange ape. Pathetic plan imo.
 
California has more than enough money to solve their current problem.

$7.2 billion is $41,860 per homeless person in California, every year.

That's more than enough to cover a studio apartment for every homeless person twice over. Even in California.

And that doesn't consider savings for families in multi room apartments...

Something like 90% of homeless in California are from California. And 75% have had an address in the county they're homeless in.

It comes down to leadership. Newsom has the tools to solve this problem in California.

I'm not saying he's the problem, but actually solving the issue would go a long way toward showing he's a capable leader.

If California solved it's homeless problem under Newsom he'd be a shoo in to win the presidency, IMO.

I do not think this is something that can be done short term, no matter how capable someone is, especially when Covid was such a huge issue with homelessness - it provided the double-whamy of loss of income for many in weak positions while artificially increasing the price of real-estate with the work from home movement which made a lot of people that had homes before become homeless.

Add the fact that money is not the only issue. There are court issues and city property issues - a lot of encampments cleanups that CA govt. wanted to do were blocked by the courts even tho there were housing and services offered under the 5th amendment (protection against the taking of property by the government without compensation) - even tho it is arguable if the encampments are the homeless properties. Now, even if money is provided for housing, there is a lot of work to get sites, zoning, building etc...

So, the way I judge a candidate like Newsom is on what he says and what he tries to do within the very complicated system of the US and state government. Can he be better? Who can't? Show me someone that is able to hit 100% on all the tasks he has to perform, especially in a complicated system like modern governance (which is why I think anyone that judges politicians in a binary system is out of touch). He has clearly been active on social issues, from same sex marriage in his days as the SF Mayor to health issues and rent relief programs during the Covid pandemic, homeless issues since and actively working on the more traditional governance issues (California's economy contracted less than most during Covid and recovered faster, for example).
 
If I'm running California I fly all my homeless to Florida ...3 local drunks in exchange for each hard working hispanic refugee.

I don't think this makes any sense. California needs to be better than that and solve it's own problems. Just because heartless bastards do what they do in Florida does not mean that California should do the same. What California needs to do is a lot more affordable housing programs - and while there is a lot of talk about it, it is just a slow process because of all the real estate and zoning problems.
 
I don't think this makes any sense. California needs to be better than that and solve it's own problems. Just because heartless bastards do what they do in Florida does not mean that California should do the same. What California needs to do is a lot more affordable housing programs - and while there is a lot of talk about it, it is just a slow process because of all the real estate and zoning problems.
California needs the labor force in agriculture and you think it's heartless to swap homeless Americans for unwanted hispanic refugees DeSantis already has flown into Sacramento? I thought California was actually a sanctuary state and Florida wants "muricans only"? Of course I'm being sarcastic but actually when it comes to GOP policies I'm ready to fight fire with fire. Give them what they wish for...more white people only make sure they are the lazy parasitical types . Affordable housing is what the priority should be in California, that I agree with.
 
California needs the labor force in agriculture and you think it's heartless to swap homeless Americans for unwanted hispanic refugees DeSantis already has flown into Sacramento? I thought California was actually a sanctuary state and Florida wants "muricans only"? Of course I'm being sarcastic but actually when it comes to GOP policies I'm ready to fight fire with fire. Give them what they wish for...more white people only make sure they are the lazy parasitical types . Affordable housing is what the priority should be in California, that I agree with.

Yes, I think forcing people, homeless or not, against their will, is heartless.

No one is stopping people that want to move to Florida from California from leaving the state. As it is a problem to move people in homeless encampments to state provided housing as is, I doubt it very much that there is a glut of homeless people in California that are chomping at the bits to move to Florida and can't do it on their own.
 
I do not think this is something that can be done short term, no matter how capable someone is, especially when Covid was such a huge issue with homelessness - it provided the double-whamy of loss of income for many in weak positions while artificially increasing the price of real-estate with the work from home movement which made a lot of people that had homes before become homeless.

Add the fact that money is not the only issue. There are court issues and city property issues - a lot of encampments cleanups that CA govt. wanted to do were blocked by the courts even tho there were housing and services offered under the 5th amendment (protection against the taking of property by the government without compensation) - even tho it is arguable if the encampments are the homeless properties. Now, even if money is provided for housing, there is a lot of work to get sites, zoning, building etc...

So, the way I judge a candidate like Newsom is on what he says and what he tries to do within the very complicated system of the US and state government. Can he be better? Who can't? Show me someone that is able to hit 100% on all the tasks he has to perform, especially in a complicated system like modern governance (which is why I think anyone that judges politicians in a binary system is out of touch). He has clearly been active on social issues, from same sex marriage in his days as the SF Mayor to health issues and rent relief programs during the Covid pandemic, homeless issues since and actively working on the more traditional governance issues (California's economy contracted less than most during Covid and recovered faster, for example).
I'll give you that. It's a lot of people. But there is enough time to see clear progress. Certainly more than just getting money in and doing nothing with it. Leaders get around those obstacles by offering incentives and compromise.

Most homeless people would GLADLY accept an apartment if they were given complete autonomy over themselves (within the law). They would GLADLY move their stuff there, especially with the help of transport. Or they would likely gladly sell nearly all of it for a few hundred dollars. This may be slower than just dumping it all in the trash, but it would be steady progress in the right direction. I would be willing to bet you could get plenty of volunteers to help clean their neighborhoods up by providing transport.

The fact that he pushed for more money in the coffers doesn't impress me. All politicians want that. He's got the money. A good leader will start making an impact. Much of the work can be done fairly quickly if an honest effort is given. Even in the US.

There are solutions to these problems, but it will take somebody wanting to actually solve them enough, who has enough leadership skills to execute that vision.

I'm not saying Newsom can't do it, or doesn't want to. I'm just saying... good leaders solve tough problems.

I'd love to see it. We desperately need good leaders with good intentions.
 
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The fact that he pushed for more money in the coffers doesn't impress me. All politicians want that. He's got the money. A good leader will start making an impact. Much of the work can be done fairly quickly if an honest effort is given. Even in the US.

There is a good article about it from about 2 months ago:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/11/us/california-homeless-spending/index.html

Some of the issues mentioned that the state does is trying to force local communities to build more affordable housing, the fact that some people do not want to accept the free housing, again, leaders need to ensure to make the resources available for the solutions and continuously work for it. Again, anyone that says it is an easy thing to do in 5 years, where 3 of them also including a global pandemic is, imho, out of their depth. I can judge Newsom on what he has done with what he has so far, and to me at least, it seems like his heart is in the right place (can't say that for most politicians) and he is actually doing the legwork.

I do not believe this will be solved within 4, 8 or 10 years honestly - the systems in the US are just too cumbersome for it. But, I believe I once heard him say that success is not a place, it's a trend. This, I believe in.
 
I'm well aware of what it would require and did not claim that a POTUS alone can change the constitution and neither did I claim that Haley "promised" anything, but the POTUS can however run on a platform that will propose/request legislation from Congress. And a depending on which poll you look at, Americans very much favor "term limits" by 60% to 80%...this includes term limits for the legislative branch as well as the judicial. And voters can definitely influence both houses of Congress and the SC, so a POTUS can in fact have an indirect bearing on amendments.

But if you are going to vote based on a candidate's fantasies, wouldn't it be better to choose a candidate with more interesting fantasies?

barfo
 
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